There are good video for it? i know there are videos for the Su-35s. Almost Su-57 LV of UFO. But a bit slower on yaw. Like F-22 (USA fanboys stay away).
Side note. Su-30sm2 has being confirme to use R-37m and Perform a 130km Kill.
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Searching for vid. found this Sukhoi Su-30SM Flanker Super Maneuverable Russian Fighter Aircraft. (3:26) Blue Afterburner. So Same engine as the Su-27sm/Su-34? but with TVC.
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Ingame it might be a middle ground between su-27sm and su-33 in terms of maneuverability
shouldn’t it be better than both?
Also better vid MAKS Airshow ✈️ Su-30SM, The Flying UNO Reverse Card!! - YouTube
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No it wont.
It will be more maneuverable than both of them simply because of the TVC.
It is “only” around 1 ton heavier than the Su27, which isnt that much if you think about the Su-27 being able of carrying 9.5 tons of fuel.
So in the end it will be alot more maneuverabale especially at slow speeds due to the Thrust Vectoring.
I cant talk about higher speeds tho, depends if TVC works at higher speeds (trans/supersonic) and on how gaijin implements it.
But at slow speeds it should be uncontested.
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Irrelevant for War Thunder as the drag of the Wing Pylons isnt modeled afaik.
So best case scenario is that it is clean wing and would then perform correctly.
Worst case scenario is that it isnt clean wing and gaijin models it as if it is clean wing.
So in the end we would either get a Su27 that performs correctly or underperforms.
Did we know that for the Rafale FM adjustment?
well we kinda do it is a trainer for the Su-27S you can clearly see it as it has the IRST mounted in the center.
Ontop of that the Airshow was in 1989 and from my knowledge there shouldnt be any other Flanker variant at that time.
So again,
best case scenario is that the one at the airshow is exactly like the su27s we have in game, so if gaijin models the flanker in game after that, it performs like its real life counter part.
Worst case scenario is that the one in the airshow is a trainer (it is) and
has worse engines than the one in game.
So in the end we could only get a Su27 that would underperform if gaijin models the Su27s after the Trainer used in the airshow,
which btw performs better than the Flanker we have in game.
Wasnt that shown by Gaijin modeling the Su-27 after the T-10 which isnt even close to the production Su-27?
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Easy enough to find, btw. It’s 389 blue. Serial number 96310413042. Т10U-7(seventh prototype for 27UB, 389 blue), first flight 17.04.1989. Currently, this aircraft is installed as a monument in Ufa, Russia.
Afaik, no modifications were made to the airframe/powerplant, it was a late prototype.
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R-37M is a very scary missile IRL. While in the game we launch the amraam at a maximum range of 20-35 km from a high altitude for the most effective chances of shooting down the enemy, then we can launch the R-37M at a range of 150-200 km
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there is also this video, at various times you see the engines and the blue afterburner, you can even see the TVC working too
ngl, this is a really cool video talking about the su30sm
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Theoretically yes but i don’t think TVC Will be working fine ingame, at least in the first months…
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They’ve been goofing around with them for a while on missiles now, and they seem to largely work ok at this point, so hopefully they’ll work relatively ok in-game. It’ll be interesting seeing them at work in manual mode in sim.
I Hope ur right and it works fine on the planes as they work with missiles, i’m generally kinda skeptical when gaijin tries to add new cool stuff for new vehicles.
i have been thinking about the r77 and aim120 and came to conclusion even if the su27sm had the ability to take 8 aim120 i still wouldn’t bring them
at close range r77 is better and long range the su27sm radar goes from good but sometimes unreliable to very bad and sometimes reliable
in particular the tws is awful it just assumes planes stand still in midair while it searches for other airplanes
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I think the thing ppl might need to be careful about is their expectations of how much itll impact RB FM’s tbh.
The instructor screws all planes to some degree, and tends to need to be tailored either towards rate fighting (2c, energy retention is what the general community calls it) or towards radius fighting (1c, or AOA fighting). The instructor might allow the Su-30SM to pull a lot but give it “terrible” energy retention, or it might limit its AOA capabilities but remain decent at retaining energy.
In sim, there’s a good chance itll be a big deal, but mostly in the hands of good flanker players in dogfights. The full real controls and the ability to use SAS modes will allow the plane to get the most out of the TVN’s without sacrificing energy retention if the pilot is good.
Sorta the issue with the Typhoon atm. The radar is better, but not by much atm, which has the effect of taking what could be either the single best, or potentially second best (depending on how much you value the 2 extra AIM-120’s the F-15C/E/I can take) BVR jet in-game, to be tremendously unreliable in BVR, simply due to the fact you cant seem to depend on the radar to do anything a radar needs to do when it needs to do it.
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sadly don’t have the typhoon or anything similar to compare it to
It’s not an exageration the Typhoons Radar is really poor.
It’s useable in BVR using Narrow scope TWS but when you get to medium/short ranges and need to lock and react quickly it wont find that massive RCS directly infront of you :(
In ground battle it is better to just stay in the IRST mode and not alert anyone you are there only switching to Radar when you need to shoot a 120. I do think a correctly functioning Radar would push the Typhoons power to another level. It feels very much a game play decision right now.
I do not get the hate the 77 gets, they are really hard to deal with in that 8 mile window they pull great from the rail and suit the playstyle of the Su-27.
I would love a 120 that pulls that hard off the rail close in we have to use the 9M which is fine but not great for the kind of higher aspect shots
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This is true, but the flanker radar is even worse, since it does not have a normal TWS that tracks the target itself, and also cannot switch the viewing mode.
You can find a target in the wide radar view, then point the tracking strobe at the target and turn on the narrow view mode.
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You can and by that time in medium to short range you have already been fired on and have eaten a missile. TWS track in wide mode the updates are 2 to 3 buisness days apart.
Typhoon if you are focussing on a target you need to be in narrow scan or the TWS updates on your 120s are outdated.
I mentioned it earlier it blows my mind how many players even at top tier die to a 120 launched at 40km they only seem to react when their RWR alarms giving them a short window to react as this mach 2.5 120 slams into them.
Typhoon probably needs it’s Radar more than the Su-27 does as the Su-27 is actively aiming to get closer I used to fly the Gripen with the Radar off, stay low no Radar it’s amazing how few people detect you when you dont have constant Radar emissions. When in range switch it back on for close range Darter shots.
And even that is delayed, by few seconds