If this is true, I want good evidence (Russian sources).
You make a very expensive fighter jet, but you decide to give it a terrible radar on purpose because of military doctrine.
I would just fix the TVC of the R-73
It makes sense. Maybe you didn’t turn off the afterburner, maybe the missile was launched too close.
The ET is only ever as good as the people on the wrong end of it is bad.
Sure if you don’t get the info that it’s fired there’s not much you can do, but there is a very non-zero number of people that will see a Su-27 locking them, fire something and instantly drop lock, and will still pursue flying straight at said Su-27 to try and get them in the NEZ.
Also the ET is greatly limited by it’s seeker, and the fact that it can be flared by mistake.
I do agree that it’s the best long range missile that you can equip on the Su-27, but when your best long range option is a Fox-2, it ain’t very funny.
For dogfighting i have no doubts that the r73s are better, but How often we dogfight? It’s pretty rare, in current Air rb’s environment i think the 9m is more efficient, it can generally make better sneaky shots from above and side aspect, but that doesn’t mean the r73s are bad, far from that.
I know I’m not him but i personally love them both equally even though i consider the 9m a bit more efficient, If It was possible to mix the weaponry from multiple nations o wouldn’t pick 9m for the 27 just Because It would be super ugly lol, the same way i wouldn’t pick r73s for my f15C…
Agreed, however to me it is still a better long range option than the R-77 on account of being able to get there, and it’s a better long range option than the R-27ER because it’s autonomous.
No, the Su-27 radar isn’t bad because it was “meant to follow Soviet doctrine of GCI assistance”.
The Su-27 had a obsolete radar because the technology wasn’t advanced enough to fit a PESA radar like the MiG-31 had into the Su-27, because the Su-27 was gonna fill a similar role to the MiG-31, except more tactical and carrying more missiles, centering more towards fighters like F-15s.
Since the PESA radar in the radar nose of the MiG-31 was massive, the smaller size of the Su-27 nose, just like what happened to the MiG-29, caused them to use older technology, because the MiG-29 was supposed to get a slotted planar array radar, which also needed to be too big for the nose cone.
These things were going to be fixed with the MiG-29M 9.15 and Su-27M, which had the N010 Zhuk and N011 Bars respectively.
Su-27 was allowed to enter service with a good enough Radar. The Radar is good enough for Soviet needs. Soviet doctrine was at the time about close ranges hence the effort for super maneuverability.
HMDs and R-73 and EOT guided missiles.
Comparatively Western airframes and Radar technology and doctrine was about long range detection and less about super maneuverability.
Aim7 and later 120s were designed with the longest possible ranges and IR missiles really as a last resort. British doctrine of the time was to use the Tornados speed and Radar to engage with Skyflash make a few passes and RTB.
MiG 25/31 Radar has incredible range and power but it also generates an ungodly ammount of heat and needs huge power and a large airframe.
So yes the Su-27 was allowed to operate with a sub optimal Radar because Soviet doctrine would still allow it to perform it’s intended role.
I MTL it. And only talk that the Su-35s will get an update. Maybe its a minor upgrade?. It said something about a “new thing” and modernization for existing Su-35s. But not what they will do. In red they talk about new Version of Su-57. And then they talk about T-75.
I don’t disagree that the Su-27 could still perform it’s intended role, but from what they envisioned it, it was still lacking, if it weren’t the Su-27M wouldn’t have been developed.
Also, you say that Soviet doctrine was WVR centered, but also used the majority of their interceptions with GCI?
That isn’t really a coherent doctrine, because it wasn’t like this, the Soviets also wanted long range missiles on their fighters, the only real fighter meant for true WVR and dogfights was the MiG-29.
The Su-27 at the very beginning of it’s introduction already had R-27ERs, which IRL could hit targets at a distance of up to 100km, the Soviets knew that if they coupled these very good and advanced missiles, with powerful and advanced radars, it would’ve been a big leap forward, the problem was simply that there was not enough time to develop them before 1991.
@BBCRF worked on the flight model of the Su-30SM DCS mod, all you need to see is their reaction to how the War Thunder one flies when it is added to know if it is accurate.
Then idk, you could ask them on how to model TVC and actual fly-by-wire effectively.
Knowing Gaijin they’ll probably screw up the TVC implementation badly.