there is also this video, at various times you see the engines and the blue afterburner, you can even see the TVC working too
ngl, this is a really cool video talking about the su30sm
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Theoretically yes but i don’t think TVC Will be working fine ingame, at least in the first months…
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They’ve been goofing around with them for a while on missiles now, and they seem to largely work ok at this point, so hopefully they’ll work relatively ok in-game. It’ll be interesting seeing them at work in manual mode in sim.
I Hope ur right and it works fine on the planes as they work with missiles, i’m generally kinda skeptical when gaijin tries to add new cool stuff for new vehicles.
i have been thinking about the r77 and aim120 and came to conclusion even if the su27sm had the ability to take 8 aim120 i still wouldn’t bring them
at close range r77 is better and long range the su27sm radar goes from good but sometimes unreliable to very bad and sometimes reliable
in particular the tws is awful it just assumes planes stand still in midair while it searches for other airplanes
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I think the thing ppl might need to be careful about is their expectations of how much itll impact RB FM’s tbh.
The instructor screws all planes to some degree, and tends to need to be tailored either towards rate fighting (2c, energy retention is what the general community calls it) or towards radius fighting (1c, or AOA fighting). The instructor might allow the Su-30SM to pull a lot but give it “terrible” energy retention, or it might limit its AOA capabilities but remain decent at retaining energy.
In sim, there’s a good chance itll be a big deal, but mostly in the hands of good flanker players in dogfights. The full real controls and the ability to use SAS modes will allow the plane to get the most out of the TVN’s without sacrificing energy retention if the pilot is good.
Sorta the issue with the Typhoon atm. The radar is better, but not by much atm, which has the effect of taking what could be either the single best, or potentially second best (depending on how much you value the 2 extra AIM-120’s the F-15C/E/I can take) BVR jet in-game, to be tremendously unreliable in BVR, simply due to the fact you cant seem to depend on the radar to do anything a radar needs to do when it needs to do it.
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sadly don’t have the typhoon or anything similar to compare it to
It’s not an exageration the Typhoons Radar is really poor.
It’s useable in BVR using Narrow scope TWS but when you get to medium/short ranges and need to lock and react quickly it wont find that massive RCS directly infront of you :(
In ground battle it is better to just stay in the IRST mode and not alert anyone you are there only switching to Radar when you need to shoot a 120. I do think a correctly functioning Radar would push the Typhoons power to another level. It feels very much a game play decision right now.
I do not get the hate the 77 gets, they are really hard to deal with in that 8 mile window they pull great from the rail and suit the playstyle of the Su-27.
I would love a 120 that pulls that hard off the rail close in we have to use the 9M which is fine but not great for the kind of higher aspect shots
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This is true, but the flanker radar is even worse, since it does not have a normal TWS that tracks the target itself, and also cannot switch the viewing mode.
You can find a target in the wide radar view, then point the tracking strobe at the target and turn on the narrow view mode.
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You can and by that time in medium to short range you have already been fired on and have eaten a missile. TWS track in wide mode the updates are 2 to 3 buisness days apart.
Typhoon if you are focussing on a target you need to be in narrow scan or the TWS updates on your 120s are outdated.
I mentioned it earlier it blows my mind how many players even at top tier die to a 120 launched at 40km they only seem to react when their RWR alarms giving them a short window to react as this mach 2.5 120 slams into them.
Typhoon probably needs it’s Radar more than the Su-27 does as the Su-27 is actively aiming to get closer I used to fly the Gripen with the Radar off, stay low no Radar it’s amazing how few people detect you when you dont have constant Radar emissions. When in range switch it back on for close range Darter shots.
And even that is delayed, by few seconds
The Su-27 radar scans the target for about 10 seconds in TWS mode, so it loses targets even more than the Eurofighter. And flying with the radar off on a flanker is sometimes very unpleasant. But I think the Eurofighter is the best fighter for BVR even with such a bad radar.
F-15E is hands down the best BVR fighter, it’s the one thing it has going for it.
should we also point out at this point how unreliable bvr shots are? even a launch to hit ratio of 25% is hard to archive
The Eurofighter is better than the F-15E because it has very strong maneuverability at high altitudes to dodge missiles, and also has an infinite supply of countermeasures. The Eurofighter is a very fast climb fighter and it is not much worse in climb rate than the F-15E
Unlimited counter measures:
Very sad flanker noises
Apparently it gets even slightly worse with the su30sm
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Tbh i kinda prefer the f15e for bvr, euro radar is really bad for its br…
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On paper absolutely the F-15s Radar and 8 BVR missiles with similar performance makes it better.
When/If the Typhoon gets the Radar fixed it will be on a similar level.
Typhoons Radar really is pure ass
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If you know how to use the Eurofighter radar, you will be much more powerful than the F-15E.