Suggestion for updating the armament on the JAS 39A and JAS 39C now that we get AIM 120C-5
Because right now it feels like you are downgrading yourself if you go from the JA37DI to the JAS 39A.
So my idea is to add AIM-120B to JAS 39A and raise its BR to 13.7 and AIM-120C5 or C-8 to JAS 39C and raise its BR to 14.0.
I, and likley many more are fully willing to let the JAS 39A and JAS 39C get a jump up in BR if this happens.
That being said, I think the A should’ve never been added. They gave Sweden the worst variation of their own domestic fighter while giving two other nations the much better and more advanced variant before Sweden got its C, because Gaijin thought that the C made “no notable and gamechanging upgrades compared to the JAS-39A” (not a direct quote)
In their defense, this was pre-AMRAAM, but nevertheless it screwed over Sweden, much like the MLU-2 is also screwing them over. An entire new plane for upwards of 400k RP plus the stock grind just for something everybody else just had to research a mod for 20k RP to get.
good source. shame it dosnt name variants of missiles.
i respectfully disagree. it should have been added. just preferably one update earlier. and then it should have also gotten Amraams when others got them and Sweden got the 39C. Gaijin knew allready they where gonna add the C version a bit later. even if it mad it ‘‘the same’’ over C.
C should be able to carry bombs on the center pylon that the A cant for example. ingame it cant for some reason idk. the air to ground ordinance could have been different.
lmao. lol even. i grinded the 39C in the 39A. and it was such massive pain when everyone had fox-3’s and you are stuck with fox 1’s. i highly doubt this data was accurate post Fox-3’s.
Tbf, 13.0 is the range of 4th gen with IRCCM or 3rd gen with ARH, so it makes sense the Gripens there
That being said, the fact it faces Fox-3s pretty much every match is abysmal
I can agree, but in that case the Gripen C should’ve been foldered to it or the Gripen A should’ve been foldered to the JA37D, and they should’ve been added at the same time
Currently for Sweden, going off the Gripen line at Rank VIII, it costs 1,230,000 RP to get the same aircraft that costs 810k RP to reach in Japan and Italy, and only 410k in Britain (NOT INCLUDING TIER REQUIREMENTS OR THE VEHICLE LINE ITSELF)
British players only needed an extra 20k RP to reach Fox-3s, Sweden needed another 534,200 RP for pretty much the same thing, 124.2k for the mods, playing something at the same BR as 2 others of itself, while everyone else just needed 20k RP.
I feel like Gaijin has made many poor decisions with top tier Sweden, between MLU-2 and the Gripen C.
(Also, I didn’t realize the PI document didn’t show variants, but I’m going to use it when Gaijin adds IRIS-T and Meteor missiles to aircraft if they don’t put them on the Gripen C)
This would make swedish aircraft more historical and accurate which we lack at the moment, the JA37Di for example uses a false version of RB74 and is one of 3 13.0 without irccm off the top of my head. The only amraam slinger at that br without one too
Going from that to the JAS39A you are just swapping out BVR for much better cqb in a BVR meta which i hardly need to say the issues with that
But its not like the JAS39A couldnt use the amraam, in fact it had it before the viggen did.
So in essence you go from a amraam slinger with very poor cqb to a cqb master of an aircraft where cqb is not the name of the game.
Long story short yes JAS39A should get amraam so its not a future speedbump on the way to the C as that plane can have much more that JAS39A couldnt have making it unique but atm the only thing that makes it unique is by having the JAS39As historical loadouts bar like SDBs
It is a particular buggering to me who does Swedish Historic based games
in no world does the 120C5 justify the Gripen C to move to 14.0. It already is agressively mid at 13.7 with its limited missile count being the biggest issue making it argueably the worst 13.7. The 120C5 would improve its standing at 13.7 but in no way warrant a BR increase. For the A if you wanna give it the 120B you might aswell take away the BOL and move it to 13.3
Balancing essentially, if you really want to give the A the RB99, which imo would be a bad change since you’d take away its uniqueness, you’d have to give it some downsides over the C otherwise it’d be at 13.7 with just worse missiles. And since you can equip the missile without BOL i don’t see your point.
Uniqueness? uniquely shit. its uniqueness to be dunked on every match cause everyone has BVR fox 3’s and you have to get with in 10km to even fire your fox 1’s. and thats if you survive into that range. wich is often not the case. and you have to maintain radar lock. wich they dont. i spent 150 games in it grinding the JAS 39C. it was not fun. not intriguing gameplay. and in most of those games i got kileld without being able to do anything that entire match.
and JAS 39C can absolutley go to 14.0 with aim-120C’s its not like it wont face top tier constantly either way. and atleast then it can fight back in the ranges they can.
wich is not something the A can. its currently a 400 000 RP speedbump that no one wants to play cause its so bad to play. and the worse missiles is the downside. not a big downside, but a downside.
Personally i dont think the Fox1s are even meant to be used on it just running the default 6 Aim9Ms grants fine results even with a stock crew its fairly enjoyable. And no i do believe putting it to 14.0 “just because it faces them almost any match anyways” is a very shallow take. The issue that it’ll still only have 4 ARH missiles at 13.7 nevermind 14.0 will leave it outgunned in every matchup, it has nothing that would make it 14.0 worthy, flightperformance - outclassed, missile loadout - outclassed, radar - outclassed, and all of this not in a way where one plane takes one niche, most planes at 14.0 outclass it or are at least on par with it in all of those metrics
How? The Typhoon is the second best performing plane in the game still. It doesn’t need the C-5. It need 1/5 of the attention the rafale gets to fix it’s radar. It really doesn’t need much else.
doing that would be like giving the F15A and F16s Fox3s. Just because 13.0 is in a bad state right now, it does not mean that we should take away the options to play 4th gen airframes without fox3s at lower BRs, me personally i enjoy the F15A or say the Netz more than i do their top tier counterparts simply because i dont enjoy the Fox3 spam playstyle all that much, sure you meet them every few games but its not a constant
F16A MLU in the chinese tree did just for example, and just because it did doesnt mean it has to in game especially since the A and C would be identical since again you cant put the C at 14.0, it would by far be the worst 14.0 and drop hard in popularity. If you want a Gripen at 14.0 get a 14.0 worthy Gripen namely the NG or E