not really
It’s already a French sub tree, it’s not going to happen.
It really shouldn’t.
The Dutch fought fiercly against the German forces, most of the fully unique domestic designs that the Dutch could provide would also be used against the Germans and Japanese during this period.
Even later on during the early cold war the Dutch were still very much independent. they had Belgian, French, British, Swedish and US technology and modified vehicles in service. Even the Leopard 2A5 and the Leopard 2A6M2 used by the Dutch were deployed in fully independent units. Only recently were the Dutch and German battalions working together closely.
The Dutch navy, where the most of fully unique domestic Dutch additions could be found, was also mostly geared towards a war against the German and Japanese navy. Considering the time period of naval vehicles in-game seen thus far (1912-1960s), this would mean rank I-IV of coastal and rank I-VI of Bluewater would be filled with ships which would have been deployed in actions alongside the French/British/US navy against the Germans/Japanese.
And then again, the German tech tree would never need another nation, there are hundreds of german vehicle left to add.
The best solution would be to supplement a Dutch tech tree with (an)other nation(s). This is where a Benelux tech tree would come in. Another option would have been to place the Dutch with a nation which would have been its ally throughout the duration of this game (like france). Or to split up the Dutch in a pre-cold war and a post-world war.
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nah, especially considering the Fokker connection. Culturally and vehicle wise, Germany would have made more sense.
A lot of it would’ve been copy and paste anyway, there was no point.
Old Forum Suggestion Archive
Since the old forum is planned to be deleted in June of this year, the original old Forum Subtree Rework suggestion will sadly be gone with it. To prevent it from being gone forever, it was archived and will stay accessible in the future.
Archived version of the original suggestion by @馮如
Sadly this Archive doesn’t load images, so the included Images are separately listed here, as well as a screenshotted version of the suggestion with the images in their context.
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Damn, I mean, aren’t a lot of these combinations confirmed now? Or might that just be a coincidence?
Either way, for BeNeLux it would be definitely my first favoured option for implementation, as of now there are more than a hundred unique vehicles that won’t be added from these 3 nations because of lack of need/space as they are a subtree (and even more that are modifications of already-in-game vehicles). The same holds true for the unconfirmed ‘subtree’ nations Switserland and (dominion of) Canada.
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Maybe try a browser add-on named Singlefile. I just saved all of vehicle suggestion of old forum with it including images which still available now.(Sadly some images on hosting sites are no longer available now)
It’a really big file folder with 42GB!
Maybe i should save non-vehicle suggestions now.
Maybe we should make a updated version for 2025…
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I made one that shows all current subtrees, as well as possible future subtrees as long as they have either been soft confirmed through game additions or are often discussed subtree options.
I just generally wasn’t sure where to put many countries. For example a LATAM subtree for Israel seems popular, but I wasn’t sure what nations to include besides Chile, and for USA while there are many options I wanted to consider other nations first. For post-Soviet states I was also not sure, so I included the non-NATO ones for now.
I also tried to stay clear of controversy, and tried to avoid personal bias. So for example with the ASEAN subtree for Japan I excluded Singapore and Malaysia for now and only included the relatively agreed upon Indonesia and Philippines.
So that should explain why many options that might seem obvious to some are missing. I’ll try to expand it in the future and would be happy to hear any feedback to help improve it!
I also made a version that only lists confirmed subtrees (And whatever Canada / Australia are)
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New Zealand for UK as there’s already 2 vehicles in game?
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Updated o7
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My honest opinion:
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I think that the countries that have the most relationship with Israel, besides Chile, in Latin America are Argentina, since it used the Dagger/Finger, and in tanks you have the TAM modernized by Elbit, Brazil also for the modernization of the F-5EM, and you could add as secondary nations Colombia and Ecuador, which use the Kfir but do not have modern armored vehicles. That is why if you look for the nation with the most relationship with Israel in all branches (tanks, planes, ships, helicopters), the only nation that has a large quantity is Chile.
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When is this being applied, its a no-brainer…
Come on Gaijin implement this Mechanic
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This is how Wart Hunter should be
I also just noticed that this meme is wrong. Only some of the Earth is covered in red, which is inaccurate, EVERYTHING should be RED
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Since Gaijin seems to be on the lookout for new monetization methods, I think it’s time I come up with one of my own to go hand in hand with the suggested Subtree Rework…
Incentive
Essentially Incentive is supposed to be, as the name suggests, a monetary incentive for Gaijin to add the Subtree Rework. However since Gaijin seems to struggle trying to think of player friendly ways to increase profits, and this is supposed to promote my suggestion, it’s only fair I’d offer them a bit of help here.
- Feel free to share your opinions on this system, and vote in the poll below whether this would be something you would appreciate when deciding to spend your money
How does it work?
Basically it works by giving the players a positive incentive (I got to use the name a lot ^^) to buy premium vehicles of different operating nations.
It does this through two parts of the existing RP modifier system:
Premium RP multipliers
Premium vehicles in game already get increased RP rewards, for example this premium T-2 Early, gets the usual 100% RP gain, as well as the 100% premium account bonus and the 100% RP gain increase through the Talisman bonus that all premium vehicles come with by default.
With the incentive system, premium vehicles add this same 110% research gain when researching tech tree vehicles of the same operator nation. So when researching the F-5T, the AV-8S (early)'s research modifiers might look something like this:
When selecting (for example) a Thai vehicle for research, all Thai premiums gain an additional 1.1 times multiplier, which allows them to provide 110% of the actual RP gains to vehicle research.
While the system is intended for premiums, it might be applied to all vehicles in the premium section, including event vehicles that usually come without premium RP bonuses.
The benefits of Incentive
From a player perspective, this increases research efficiency on premium vehicles when researching the same operating nation. For example while the Thai AV-8S (Early) will research Thai vehicles quicker, the T-2 (Early) will research Japanese vehicles quicker.
Still, this system does not take away from the efficiency of existing premium vehicles, as they are still researching other operating nations at the current rate of 100%
From a developer perspective, this encourages players to buy more premium vehicles to gain research benefits, resulting in players deciding to buy more premium vehicles.
This system obviously functions best when each operator nation has a dedicated tree, such as the main Subtree Rework would bring. That way there is enough tech tree content for current subnation premiums to be worth it for this benefit.
Vote
What are your thoughts on this idea? (please vote after reading)
- I would like to see this incentive added
- I am indifferent to this incentive
- I do not want to see this incentive added
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I hope this might serve as a way to show Gaijin that there is ways to boost profits without alienating your player base in the process, or using predatory marketing strategies built on pressure, fear of missing out or limiting free to play options.
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Ah, speaking of monetization,
I’ve had this thought for some time, this would allow Gaijin to add pre-orders for sub-trees. Much like full trees had in the past, with them, being treated as full nations.
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Just add another tech tree at this point
Well, all premiums still have at least 100% efficiency with the incentive system. Only for their operator nation this is increased to 110%.
So with incentive, you can buy the T-2 and AV-8S to have 110% efficiency researching each vehicle from both Thailand and Japan.
However if you only have the AV-8S you can still research any Japanese vehicle with the same efficiency as you can now. It does not take anything away, but rewards you more for buying both.
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Although you might face some backlash for this suggestion, I think it would be a nice addition and further encourage Gaijin to add more other nations. (Now only if we got more room in tech trees to facilitate that like these tab trees)
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