Nobody is talking about a full system update here, all we want is just better engines to make it COMPETITIVE and not literally the worst 14.0. Even the F-18C accelerates and climbes better. Right now there is no reason to play the Su-30SM if you already have the Su-27SM. They could go the same route they already took with the Su-27SM and just give the Su-30SM better engines without changing anything else. The Su-27SM we have in game have the AL-31F-M1 engines from the Su-27SM3, but it does not have any other upgrades from the SM2 or SM3. It is literally a fictional plane right now because it is simply a regular 27SM with 27SM3 engines. They could do the exact same thing to the 30SM and give it the 30SM2 engines without changing anything else, and even then it would still have worse flight performance than EF-2000 and F-15E. At least it would be a clear upgrade to the Su-27SM, just how the F-15E is a clear upgrade to the F-15C. It’s like if the F-15E we have in the game had the PW-220 engines which the original production models had instead of the newer PW-229. Gaijin literally tried doing that and US mains cried so loud and so much that Gaijin gave the American F-15E better engines, too. Please, tell me how are these two situations different in vacuum, without bringing up the Isreali F-15E? And don’t mention year of introduction, please, because it is a game that has to be balanced. Otherwise we would have to talk about King Tigers facing Shermans and T-34s instead of IS-3s and T-29s
Just because it’s the worst doesn’t mean it’s bad.
You still have a great radar and one of the best missile loadouts.
Except you cannot not bring up the F-15I.
The reason the US mains were mad wasnt because they got the F-15E without the better engines. ( A few i’ve spoken to would have almost prefered that actually, and maybe had the F-15E at a lower BR rather than as the top tier option) They were mad because the Israelis got a multirole F-15 with the upgraded engines and the US did not. It would be like giving the Chinese J-11 better engines but not giving them to the SU-27. Soviet mains would be mad.
Su-30SM seems like a perfectly competitive aircraft at the moment. Is it meta? maybe not. But it has the second best radar at top tier. The greatest compliemnt of AAMs at top tier (both variety and quantity) and a perfectly capable flight performance. Can you dominate every match like the Mig-23 and Mig-29 use to? No, but to call it “uncompetitive” is rather dishonest,
Simple solution: they should not have added the F-15I. But we are way past that already. Most people would not grind a whole tech tree for one plane. I don’t even remember the last time I saw the F-15I, if ever.
J-11B has better engines than the Su-27SM.
As for this, I just checked your in-game profile, and you are a British main with 14 battles in the Typhoon with nothing else researched. How can you even talk about USSR, or USA, or other planes and them being competetive or not when you literally do not have any experience or things to compare them to?
Check the SB tab not the RB tab. I do not play RB all that much.
Also…Bringing up stat cards is just a funny tactic when you have no decent counter argument.
I may not have experience in the Su-30SM. But I sure as hell have fought against R-73, R-27ER, R-27ET and R-77s.
The only real weakness of the Su-27 from my PoV was a bad radar. The Su-30SM not only fixes that issue, but adds a stronger missile. Having spent a year in the Tornado F3 struggling against Mig-29s and then Mig-29SMTs. I know what it truly means to be “uncompetitive”
New update
Russia is getting new top tier jet
Russian mains: “this is gonna change everything it’s gonna be so amazing”
It’s mid
Repeat
(MiG-29SMT, Su-27S/SM, Su-34, Su-30SM, etc)
New update
Russia is getting new top tier jet
Russian mains: “this is gonna change everything it’s gonna be so amazing”
NATO mains: “this is gonna change everything it’s going to be so OP and undertiered”
It’s mid
Repeat
(MiG-29SMT, Su-27S/SM, Su-34, Su-30SM, etc)
Fixed it.
Its talking about plans to add the engines to the sm2 upgrzde
how did you flare at 0:51 when you dumped all your flares at 0:22
One of? 12 of arguably the best missile in the game?
“Mid” how is 12 r-77-1 with a strong radar mid. Since when has flight perfomance mattered over missile loadout in arb
j11B has domestic engines thats why
J11b has domestic engines.
F15l had american engines whichalso happen to have been the most common kind of engine for american f15es.
yeah not many f15Es had 220 engines majority had 229s only very early F15Es did
Because the vast majority of f15e had the pw229.
Su30sm2 with upgraded engines are a year old at best.
I find it pretty irrelevant but i dont really think the su30sm needs the engine’s. Its plenty strong without em. If you think its not competitive its a skill issue
its one of the best if not the best 14.0s
The best i dont think so. I definetly think its more competitive than f15e. F15e only has bvr and bvr isnt very effective. Su30 is fairly good at everything and r77-1 can hit decently far in my little experience
Lmao fr tho, both sides of the isle hype it up. The amount of people saying “gib Aim-120C” when they saw the R-77-1 being added was hilarious. Even funnier when I asked which variant of the C they wanted and they replied with “variants” or “just the regular Aim-120C” lmaooo.
SU-30SM has R-27ET, therefore we should get ASRAAM for long ranged IR missiles :P
It matters alot. The F-16C has a worse loadout than the Tornado F.3 late, but the F-16 is 0.7 higher. The 11.0 Sea Harrier has 4 Aim-9Ls, and the 12.3 F-16A has only 2 more.
And don’t forget about the F/A-18C late with 10 Aim-120s and 2 9Ms.