absolutley
so what happened to those confident claims?
maybe you should have read your own source, if it actually agreed with you
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It has no proven fifth gen capabilities. The only classification it fits is near-stealth and even that is heavily debated within defense communities. Everything else is 4.5 especially the avionics. Sorry champ. You’re arguing against half the global defense industry not just me here
How are they avionics lacking exactly?
You can address the conversation you and I were having
you like making lots of claims but not bringing any proof for them
and when you are getting proven wrong you reply like this:
surly a display of how right you are
well picking the Su-30 and Su-35 wouldnt be fair, those are actually exported and used by quite a few countries, China included
Well saw worse there was at least one guy called it’s worse than 3rd Gen
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How is the flight performance not 5th gen like? It has objectively better flight performance than the F-35, does that make the F-35 a non-5th gen? Contradicting yourself once more
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And heavily modified by China and India alike. Using indigenous avionics and radars commonly to overcome the absolute degeneracy that is Russian avionics and weapons compatibility
Sends a source based on a Quora post wow
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India is still using the N011M and china hasnt upgraded the N001 on their Su-30’s either
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I didn’t say anything about flight performance thank you
China uses the N001VEP and this ignores that a majority of Chinese flankers are not Russian made and feature Chinese avionics
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If flight performance makes a fifth gen then surely the SU35 is fifth gen right?
No, because it doesn’t meet the other standards. If you say that it has NO 5th gen capabilities, that inherently includes flight performance. If the Su-57 fails at that, the F-35 also does
For a real talk. Lets give russia the same defense budget as china and us and then we can talk.
Saying that a 180b defense budget is suppose to produce the same amount as a 400 and 800 billion is pure ignorance from a clown.
