air sells a crapton of premiums
I find it funny that people believe that the ”L-band radar” can be used to detect targets at long range (100km<). If you know how radars work you would realize that it’s physically impossible with a radar of this size.
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that is true russia didnt use a serpentine inlet or s-duct because (if i had to guess) they didnt want to impact flight performance at slower speeds
but at high speeds and BVR the copressor blades arent visible due to the air intake doors that are used to regulate the speed of the air entering the engine
this reduces RCS significantly in a BVR scenario where it matters the most, once someone gets close enough for both of you to slow down enough for the intel ramps to be open stealth dosent matter anymore because you are likely within visual range
that is true we cant because it is highly dependednd on radar frequency but there are radar simulations out there that will atleast give us an aproximation or something to compare it to
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that simulation has been made by stealthflanker and iam going to attach the original link to it once i find it
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I wonder what assumptions Stealthflanker made about the Su-57, it really differs from other simulations I’ve seen. I would like to know more about the model he used.
the air intake doors closed
and the IRST being covered like in this picture:
instead of it being open
it can be open and closed in flight
Im aware of this, I found some of his posts on a forum. This is the model he used for the F-35 btw. I don’t think we can compare the Su-57 to the F-35’s RCS with whatever this is.
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peak f-35 model…
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I did some more digging, the Su-57 model Stealthflanker made is apparently very low poly/resolution without many details so you should take the RCS estimations with a grain of salt.
just like i do with every RCS values
but what iam saying is that the RCS of the Su-57 does not seem too bad after all (in BVR conditions)
where it matters the most in my opinion
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Yeah it’s not as large as people claim it to be, but not as small as other people like to claim it to be. I would sayings decent but not F-35 level. F-35 should not be compared to Su-57 really, same goes for F-22. F-22 is a project from 30 years ago and the F-35 has a different role than Su-57 and has a way, way bigger development budget.
The Su-57 is unique, in that it didn’t sacrifice speed or maneuverability for stealth. It’s stealthy enough to not be seen at long and medium ranges, so it gets up-close and personal, forcing a merge or evasive action from the slow and flying bricks like F-35. When the F-35 finds the Su-57, it’s already too late because the Su-57 can sure as hell spot the F-35 too.
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i also think that raw flight performance might be becoming more important in the future with stealth becoming better and better
the better stealth gets, the shorter the engagment distance will be, meaning that jets might be forced to do dogfights again
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Stealth technology hit its peak potential in the late 1990s to early 2000s. Since then, its effectiveness has eroded as AESA radars, airborne L-band antennas, and advanced data-fusion systems have become widely accessible.
Photonic radars are now approaching practical deployment. They’re using photonic signal generation and processing to achieve extremely wide bandwidths and real-time high-resolution imaging , hence why they are sometimes called imaging radars. Once they mature, they will put the final nail into stealth coffin !
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What kind of “hot bullshit take” is that?!
Technology evolve everyday, little by little, apart maybe on Saturdays/Sundays
Are you sure you don’t want to withdraw your false allegations, for once?
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source: You’ve never even set in a cockpit and all that is your imagination. fun fact there’s ~ 1300 f35 and ~ 30 su57 if you include the prototypes lmao, but I’m sure the entire world is just dumb and buys the worse option, also funny that you think that the less stealthy plane would somehow not be detected first.
What… wait i didn’t get the memo. That said that the old stuff about stealth don’t work anymore. Damn that its sure catastrophic. So what its that new technology you’re talking about? Plasma stealth? no way that some old stuff. Or that diamond coating on F-22 wow truly revolutionary. But isn’t THAT its just COATING?.
You are just coping just like that Coffy guy.
The only thing that can tell us how good the RCS of an aircraft its analysis like the one done by Dhimas Afihandarin. BTW did you know that the ones going around of the Su-57 don’t have honeycomb structure. THAT the Su-57 also used. Maybe that its one of the new revolutionary stealth technology your talking.
nice argument, however, Su-57 has L-band arrays and around the same RCS as F-35 in this simulation
Zusammenfassung
why would nato countries and US allies buy a russian plane? (for example turkey got kicked out of f35 program for buying S-400)
lmao oh no you’ve posted a slide from a PowerPoint, also I just want you to think critically with me on this, did Russia somehow magically leap 30 years ahead of the west in both stealth and radar technology after the utter collapse of their empire, or are they lying about the performance of their equipment?
Look at Iraq the 4th largest military in the world outfitted with the best Soviet equipment you could buy on the market, yet what happened in 2003? They folded like a wet tissue paper and the best Soviet air defense proved to be utter ineffective. The only notable success was a mig25 shooting down an fa18c.
why aren’t any of Russians allies besides Algeria (also notable huge buyer of the objective failure known as the bmpt terminator so go figure), China literally couldn’t care less about the su57 as they surpassed Russia in aviation technology (besides engines) in the 2000s. If the su57 are so successful you’d think they bother making enough to outfit more than w single squadron.
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