get rid of what?
I get it i get it you just want your SU-39 to able to kill any thing you aim at because you had skills issue and expected paid 70USD will help but it’s not and demand better you want SU-39 to be top food chains funny enough you don’t want other to get more advanced Missile that they can use because you know it will hirt your SU-39 more effective
And if you want historical trust me US is gonna the one you don’t wanna go up against
Don’t worry you gonna get R77 but what gonna follow are AMRAAM maybe France might get MICA first and you not going to like it
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If the game was truly historically accurate and recent… events… have proven this. Western nations like US, UK, France, etc should be able to defeat Soviets and China with great ease. Im actually kinda terrified how they’ll nerf the EF Typhoon, because that should be a for a very long time the best jet in the game, with only a few like the F-15 coming close.
I always love the comparison in the game, the age of the russian tanks compared to the ones of the western nations
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The latest chinese jet added was from 2008 and it can barely compete
Su 39 does have rearwards IRCCM grsnting ut invulnerability to ir missiles from the rear from any range exceeding 300meters.
Abive that, being a strike aircraft it posseses an ungodly amount of countermeasures.
At least their combined implementation will cover the majority of nations, so there shouldn’t be too much of a destabilizing impact on GRB for the most part, regardless of what happens.
If the game was truly historically accurate and recent… events… have proven this. Western nations like US, UK, France, etc should be able to defeat Soviets and China with great ease. Im actually kinda terrified how they’ll nerf the EF Typhoon, because that should be a for a very long time the best jet in the game, with only a few like the F-15 coming close.
Well lets stay on topic and actually discuss how bad the current state of the SU-39 is instead of coping that your favourite tech tree isn’t performing as good. I’m not a bias Russian nor Slavic 3rd battalion keyboard warrior but a British man myself but personally view that the issue with tech trees like the UK will be resolved soon with the addition of better aircraft.
Firstly I would like to state that without a doubt which we can all agree to is that the SU-39 is practically unplayable in air realistic and comparing it to other bad vehicles doesn’t make it any better as 2 wrongs doesn’t make a right. All I propose is that the SU-39 (a mediocre platform) either gets the R-27ER/R-27R or the R-73 as lowering the battle rating isn’t possible.
You can cry and cope all you want but at the end of the day the SU-39 is suffering and demanding the Tornado IDS should get the IRIS-T isn’t a realistic idea (20km 100g missile).
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Gaijin has already stated that they won’t separate vehicles by time period unless there is reasonable evidence it could be considered a different variant. If we had the SU-25TM sure you could argue that the SU-39 can be added later as a separate vehicle but we got the SU-39 instead (the one with the Kopyo radar capable of carrying R-77s).
But its not a medicore platform in GRB, and thats the point… Meanwhile the Tornado IDS arent really usable in GRB as they are mainly dependent on unguided munitions and their lack of CMs make them very vulnerable to attacks, and they cant really be used in ARB because of a huge turning radius and the lack of CMs.
If you can demand the Su-39 gets missiles decades more advanced than what is found on literally any other aircraft in game, then I think its only fair we do the same for our aircraft. If the Su-39 gets a large missile buff, then aircraft like the Tonrado that have been under-performing since day one in every gamemode, not just ARB should likewise get a missile buff.
I dont think the Su-39s flight performance is something that even needs to be considered in this, because these proposed missiles could be that good. It could just point and shoot. We are beyond the era of needing to be behind an enemy aircraft to kill it.
R-27ER, R-77 and R-73 should NOT be added until other nations have something at least semi-comparible. The amount of dev bias in favour of the soviets these days is game-breaking and this would be a final nail in the coffin. To expect these on a ground attacker and a premium, and I assume, no change to BR, would be catastrophic.
R-27R or R-27T, Maybe, I dont know. I do not have enough experience in GRB, esepcially at the BR in question to comment, but based upon my own experiences in other gamemodes, I do beleive that they could be too strong. Especially when combined with the vastly superior ground attack loadout. ARB is totally irrelevant to what it can and cannot do. It must be balanced for GRB as that is why it was added.
Except in naval, we’ve literally just had a second Daring-Class destroyer added with basically 0 differences because it was from a slightly different time era, but are essentially identical
Just had my first proper encounter with the Su-39 IRCM in a Tornado Gr1 and there was nothing I could. It 100% disabled my 9Ls and appeared to be easily matching my turns, if not out-turning me. Unfortunately my game decided to crash but I doubt i’d have actually gotten my canons onto him. So based upon that brief encounter, I suspect the Su-39 is a equal or better A2A jet than the Tornado Gr1 in its current state.
Mauser ammo belts arent the greatest either
Too many HE shells, with real shatter, they dont do much anymore. Was in the F3 and got a decent head on burst against something… I think it was an F-16 and it shrugged off those shells.
Lmao I was talking about how you fly a fighter to counter a strike plane with radar guided missles, since you seem so deathly afraid of it. Also I have no problem using the Su-39 in ground RB, your more than welcome to check my stat card if you don’t believe me. Giving the Su-39 better air to air missles isn’t going to ruin the br, and will help the fighter be more useful in Air RB, making it an overall more balanced plane and actually somewhat useful for grinding. It’s so simple, not sure why you can’t grasp my argument.
I’d support it, I mean so long as we keep strike planes balanced with the fighter jets around them so there not dominating like the Su-25K did when it first came out then sure why not. I like how that’s the argument your propose to sound dramatic lmao, that’s totally reasonable.
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A slow attacker that at most can carry 2 R-27’s would be game breaking? I’d like to imagine most people at that BR have already learned to notch or fly low to avoid Fox-1’s.
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try to stop thinking exclusively about 11.3-12 jets. In that engagement, you are right. An experienced player could probably handle R-27Rs from something like the Su-39. Though as pointed out above, IRCM is really really effective, forcing several jets with only IR to basically use nothing but guns and that is not always easy. Try to remember that the Su-39 could be seen in 10.3 matches as well and in GRB, it is not uncommon to bring a wider range of vehicles in your set up.
So you could be in a 10.3-11.7tank, but maybe only have access to a 9.7/10 ish BR CAS jet in your line up. Cant speak from the top of my head for most nations, but britain at least, its pretty much only the Jaguar Gr1/1A between 10.3 - 11.3. Below that is 9.7s.
It is that enviroment you may be thrusting R-27s into. Remember, you arent just adding these to ARB, but also GRB and SB. I’d have a very very tough time evading an R-27 in something like the Jaguar Gr1A with CMs, but in the Jaguar Gr1 at 10.0, it has NO CMs. It would be extremely hard to defeat R-60s, not too mention 20-30km BVR missiles. Especially when evading SPAA and trying to drop weapons on ground targets. That is where I am most concerned regarding the Su-39 with basic BVRs.
It could also be… a pain in the ass in SB at the moment as well, as Su-39s are really quite common, not quite as concerned in that theatre, but could be potentially quite annoying, esepcially with certain EC rotation brackets
Caution is definetly needed.
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Well that proved that you doing fine in ground RB with it but struggles in AirRB which is same problem apply on Tornado IDS and Harrier GR7
But it easy to understand that they are strike aircraft use for ground strikes role i can accept the fact that in normal for them but you can’t You need it to be better for no reason
Sure i also want 9M for harrier but i knew it gonna make GR7 almost guarantee 4kills (let alone ASRAAM) and it gonna be unbalanced so i can accept it not the time for them
All the planes that you want to upgrade with better missiles already have some of the best missiles available. If you cannot utilize them effectively, that is your problem.
The comparison between GR7 and Su-39 is unfair and inaccurate. Su-39 has only two missiles of the lowest performance in the top tier, while GR7 has a variety of weapons and capabilities.
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