And the major difference between those NATO vehicles missing “90% of their weapons” and the SU-39 is that the SU-39 is dog sh** whilst those things like the Mirage 2000D is actually somewhat competent.
Lets compare my experience with the Harrier GR.7 and Tornado GR.1 to the SU-39. I’ve found myself dominating in air realistic in the Harrier GR.7 (a Strike Aircraft like the SU-39) but that’s clearly not a issue isn’t it? What about the Tornado GR.1 in air? It’s meh I won’t lie but I’ve had a MUCH MUCH better experience in that than in the SU-39.
Do you know why I’ve been having these issues in the SU-39 compared to the Harrier GR.7 or the Tornado GR.1? The Harrier GR.7 lacks speed but has good manoeuvrability and good missiles, the Tornado GR.1 has lacks manoeuvrability but has good speed and good missiles. And lastly the SU-39 has bad speed, bad missiles can’t turn for sh**.
I’d also like to mention some people unlike me don’t have ground toptier and purchase the SU-39 for grinding the air technology tree but simply can’t because their favourite jet can’t even play its own game mode.
It gets R-60M , that literaly are the best russian IR short range missles, dont complain about those. If you would have wanted an aircraft to grind the air tree there is the Mig-23Ml , a fighter designed for air combat, the main purpose of the SU-39 in war thunder is Air to Ground, you cant have everything.
On top of it it gets IR missle protection, that already can save you a lot of trouble since people will be forced to use cannons if they dont have radar missles, which plenty of aircraft dont have good ones.
In its current state the Su-39 and Su-25T is absolutely terrible in air RB, and I believe the best way to solve this issue is too lower the BR of the Su-25T and keep the Su-39 at the same BR but give it access too R-27’s so it can actually compete against jets in air RB.
A lot of people seem to insist that the jet needs to remain useless for some reason which is really strange to me. I want all jets in war thunder to have a good place in the game and the meta and it’s sad to me to see so many people want to scorn and punish other players simply for trying to enjoy an aircraft that they don’t have or have no interest in.
When we ask for better missiles for the Tornado IDS (like AIM-9L/i or Iris-T), to beef up the poor performance in Air RB (always gets uptiered to 12.0 and is lost there)…well what do you think will happen? Answer: Most of the community immeately writes that its a Strike Aircraft and any missiles are just meant to be self defense…so no. Its fine etc…
Yeee…thats what I tell you now: Su-35 is a strike aircraft with CAS ordnance options above all other currently existing jets. So no…there is no reason to improve its air to air performance. Its an ingame strike aircraft and its air to air missiles shouldn’t be more as an option for self defense.
Find a way to play the Strike role. Hit npc’s. Don’'t try to make an intereptor out of these Suchois. Plz stop using Air RB as an excuse how bad they might be. These planes are meant to be used in Ground Forces and their BR is probably mainly set according to the damage the might inflict there.
So wait, are you making this argument cus you actually believe it, or are you just saying this because your jaded and want people to suffer like you have suffered in the Tornado? If it’s the latter you should really take that mindset somewhere else as it has no business when trying to suggest how to balance the game, as it’s unproductive and illogical, as your basically just saying two wrongs make a right.
How about something better. How about we actually strive to make planes playable in both game modes, irrespective of there IRL role, because this is a video game and where here to have some fun, and it’s not like it’s impossible either.
Pls try and be a voice of reason rather than a bitter voice
I think you forgot that most jets at 12.0 actually have other missiles to accompany their trash R-60M’s? The R-60M goes kaboom once someone flares unlike the AIM-9L or Pythons, the missile has the shortest range of all 12.0 IR missiles, it may turn hard but looses all of its energy and the SU-39 only has 2 of them instead of 4.
It’s honestly stupid how people write off the SU-39 because it’s a “Strike Aircraft” even though it was made with the idea of diversity and compatibility like I’ve said for like the 10th time.
The ignorance is crazy, you say “add X to buff this vehicle” and they just throw the “well it’s a Strike Aircraft, the missiles are for self defence”.
Indeed, not that being a strike aircraft should be reason to be a terrible jet anyways as this is war thunder and there’s a certain degree of expectation that my airplane should always be somewhat competent and capable at getting air kills in air battles, especially if it’s a premium that I might buy to grind my air tree. Simple saying “it’s a strike fighter” means nothing in war thunder as we don’t force vehicles to play to their specific role IRL.
Yet again I’ll repeat what I’ve said many times already. The SU-39 was made with the idea of diversity and compatibility, it’s not a normal “Strike Aircraft” isn’t it? USSR and now Russia wanted this vehicle to be able to engage bandits and destroy it without much issue but that’s the opposite in War Thunder.
A aircraft shouldn’t be forced to avoid its own gamemode to actually find a use for the vehicle. It’s also funny how 90% of the videos made on the SU-39 claim that its a miserable dog sh** aircraft that isn’t worth the money.
Currently the SU-39 is being artificially being nerfed and a example of this is the ability of the SU-39 being able to carry 4x R-60M’s instead of the mere 2x R-60M we’ve got in-game.
Funny how people constantly use the “Strike Aircraft”. I don’t think a Strike Aircraft with R-77, R-27, R-73 and EC pods for jamming radars is a normal Strike Aircraft.
not to mention that it is much more expensive to produce compared to the su-25tm because it was supposed to be a mixed plane with both air-to-air and air-to-ground power and compared to the aspect that the r-60m is crap today in one day it is necessary to change these missiles as quickly as possible because all the enemies you face all use aim-9l missiles that are superior to the obsolete r-60m
Gaijin added this aircraft give a good premium CAS aircraft to top tier players, the BR reflects its outstanding capabilities in doing such job.
The Tornado is also 11.3 and a way less meanier loadout yet again it finds at such br due to the CAS capabilities it has.
R-73 and R-77 shouldn’t be discussed at all and I have an hard time thinking that giving this aircraft R-27 is a good idea.
the tornado in the hands of experienced players becomes a fantastic plane and I had this opportunity to crew and test it and I saw that it was not all that people said about it and I agree with the missiles that you suggested but we have to take into account the other aircraft because the r60m are very obsolete compared to other countries as we can see the pithon for israel and the pl08 for china and the aim-9l for the allies
Dunno Tornado CAS loadout is pretty meh. MK1000 dumb bombs and 4 small GBU’s…both can’t be used vs Pantsir presence. It lacks any standoff weapon to be viable in Ground Forces.
Ingame Suchoi’s are far, far better at the same BR of 11.3. Its not exactly fair, since they don’t have to worry about the Pantsir issue and have crazy loadout options. Imho when the Tornado striker is at 11.3, the Suchois should be 12.0.
In practical engagement in War Thunder, considering subsonic aircraft, the performance of these missiles is as follows:
The R-60M has a range of 2,000 meters, an explosive yield of 1.35 kg, and a maximum guidance time of 25 seconds.
The AIM-9L Sidewinder has a range of 4,000 meters, an explosive yield of 4.06 kg, and a maximum guidance time of 60 seconds.
Based on this comparison, it appears that an aircraft, which can be likened to a flying truck, is equipped with one of the least effective missiles, providing no chance of success in uptier (which are encountered frequently). However, I acknowledge that the R-60MK variant mounted on the MiG-29 could be effective due to the high speed and maneuverability of the aircraft, enabling it to operate at Mach+.
Additionally, the Su-39 is a Su-25TM specifically designed for air-to-air combat.
The main reason for implementing the designation of Su-39 instead of Su-25TM is that the Su-39 is capable of carrying the R77, R27, and R73 missiles. Without these missiles, the Su-39 is same as the Su-25TM.
