SU-39 cannot be strong A2A and A2G at the same time. You take either the radar and point the R-27 or take the thermal imager.
That’s what makes it balanced. You can’t have both at the same time.
I am laughing. You can’t safely launch Whirlwind because you have to look DIRECTLY AT THE TARGET AND FLY AT IT.
You will receive a TY-90 from 6 kilometers and the helicopter will go to the side until the missile hits you and your missiles lose control.
Su-39 is effective only when there is not a single helicopter, aircraft and anti-aircraft guns on the map.
But Su-39 with radar pod and R-27Rs could be a strong jet in ARB. You might not be able to run both, and for GRB that is relevant. But you wouldnt ever run a targeting pod in ARB.
You don’t understand anything about balance. In your opinion, the absence of something on the 11.7 harrier is a balance, and the presence of medium-range missiles and a 2nd generation thermal imager in the Mirage 2000-5f is a balance, although the difference is 0.3
Literally planes with a difference of 1 step, but the mirage gets a million advantages in all respects and does not get worse in any of them.
So like literally any other attack aircraft in game?
Never flown it, but appears to have limited precision weapons, mostly guided bombs, with the option of 2x Nords, which I dont think actaully hit that hard. So its got a comparible A2G loadout to that of the Torando Gr1, which is pretty underwhelming when compared to the Gr7 or Su-25T or Su-39
He has a full set of bombs and missiles and the best container for targeting them.
In addition, he is able to be almost invulnerable against anti-aircraft vehicles due to his enormous maneuverability.
This is the best A2G aircraft in the game. You show complete incompetence by evaluating the strength of an aircraft by the number of missiles. Then the strongest is phantom 2 with 24 bombs. That’s 24 guaranteed kills, isn’t it?
Su-39 and Su-25t, in turn, must fly at the target for 20-30 seconds, accompanying the missile, which means that you are ALWAYS in the zone of destruction of anti-aircraft missiles flying directly at them without the possibility of maneuvering.
I’m so tired of couch experts who compare planes only by the card in the game.
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then just stop pushing the mattter again and again trough starting new threads that all just want to force your wish to give the su 39 stuff, and just post in one of the x others if you realy got a NEW GOOD argument for it and not sth that is sucked off x number of times at this point
If you nail 24 targets, maybe, depends on the target, i’ve direct hitted something with 2k of bombs, and barely scratched his paint.
If you think that 24 bonbs = 24 kills then you really dont know anything about CAS. Especially as it probably operates on twin release. so 2 bombs per press. So maybe 12 Targets.
24 bombs also tells me its the 500lb bombs, they dont hit that hard, meaning 2x direct hits would be needed to damage, if not kill a target. So that means either 12 extremely hard kills, more likely 3 or 4 by dropping multiple bombs per target.
That is a bit like me saying the Su-39 and Su-25T can carry 16 x Vikhrs, therefore 16 guranteed kills.
Nothing is invulnerable.
Targeting pods are all over the place, many are missing the right pods. Just got to be patient. shouting on here will do nothing to speed them up.
Might have a decent selection of weapons, but so does the Su-39. Guided bombs and PGMs are a pain to use and cant really be used against moving targets. And then can only take 2x Nords, which I dont think pack much of a punch. I.e direct hit isnt a guranteed kill.
I need to explain again that there is a difference between dropping a laser bomb or missile and immediately changing course upward from the ground flying at 1000+ kilometers per hour and following the missile at a huge angular velocity
and between stupidly flying straight at the target with no room to maneuver due to camera angles, making you literally a worthy target for everything on the map???
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My arguments are exhaustive. If you do not like them - goodbye to the topic.
Laser guided bombs are not fire and forget, you need to keep the target painted. You can move, but no more or less than the Su-39 for guiding a Vikhrs onto target. And if you want fire a forget, dont use the Vikhrs.
u are just repeating yourself like we all are since you dont have anything new to the argument only useless opinions
No worse than morons saying that jets like the Tornado Gr1 are vastly superior and therefore the Su-39 needs to go down to a BR where it would be broken as all hell.
Just consider yourself lucky that the Su-39 is at 11.3 not 11.7 like the Gr7 is becasue of its A2G weapons
4 TV bombs are better than 2.
16 laser missiles without a good container is nothing.
Su-39 is good when any other aircraft is good.
If you think that he does not need the R-27, then I am waiting for a thermal imager or a millimeter radar, which are just designed to detect ground targets. logic?
The Harrier has no reason to be an 11.7, a useless aircraft with terrible stats. 500 fights a month are played on it, while on other aircraft it is 2-5 times more.
Only madmen and morons put a subsonic aircraft without A2A on 11.7, and Mirage 2000 on 12.0
It amuses me that people deny the R-27, saying that the Su-39 is an attack aircraft, but they also do not agree to give it a millimeter radar and a thermal imager, as I wrote in the title of this topic.
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You have already said that it should get targeting pod, by the looks of the poll, most want it to have a targeting pod. In all likelyhood, it is getting a targeting pod, just hasnt been added yet, could take another 6 months+ for that to happen.
Bumping this post is going to do nothing to aid that.
Making random comparisons, like trying to say the F-14B is an attack aircraft and therefore the Su-39 needs R-27Rs and targeting pod and god knows what else, to compete, is going to do nothing to aid that.
Having a go at other players and trying to demand the Su-39 goes down to 10.7 because “reasons” is not going to aid that.
BE PATIENT.
Tornado Gr1 came out 7 months ago, still waiting on half its core “features”
Sea Harrier FRS1 came out 7 months ago, still waiting on having its placeholder radar changed (has the F5-Es radar currently)
I could name more, but bumping this post, to try and keep it active isnt going to suddenly make Gaijin add a targeting pod next week. Take all the information you’ve got, submit a bug report about a missing item. and then wait. Go off and fly something else in the meantime if the Su-39 is so truly unplayable.
I keep mentioning it, but I want to fly the SHar FRS1 in SB, but until it gets IFF, its a pain in the arse to fly and there is 0 point to taking it over the Gr7. So I dont. I have barely touched it. is there a post on here that I bump every few days about that? No
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You know, life is pretty short to wait 7 months for a model that takes 10 minutes to make.
In addition, the container is already in the game files and adding it is 10 minutes of work, but no one does it.
As long as there are 0.7 differences in combat rating between aircraft, I will speak.
Let the multi-role aircraft leave at 13.0 in that case. This is an imbalance that the plane is 2 steps higher than the other in all respects many times over.
Or let the f-14 lose its bombs. “Oh, it’s a fighter in the first place and it shouldn’t be able to destroy tanks effectively.”
Or, if it’s “realistic”, then it’s just as realistic that the aircraft that was SPECIALLY built to launch the R-27 should get them.
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To be completely honest, saying that guiding a guided bomb with a 180 degres laser designated pod allowing for SPAA evading and guiding a Vikhrs with the su-25T integrated Shkval system is really not true.
One the first two picture, it is showing an external designated pod, like the DAMOCLES, TIALD, ATLIS II…
The possible angle of the designated laser allow it to still be pointing at a target, even if it is behind the aircraft, or to the side. i showed it vertically, but it also works horizontaly. This allows the tracking plane to manoeuvre and evade SPAA missile heading at the aircraft, while still tracking.
Here, it is the su-25/39. the laser designating angle allow no room for evasive maneouvre. You are forced to fly almost completely straight at the target, and lose track if you slightly move.
I do agree that laser guided bombs still arent fire and forget but saying “You cannot move more than the su 39” is wrong.
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