We’re in the “Machinery of War” section, which is dedicated to discussing real life vehicles and / or their implementation in War thunder; so discussion about the pod is innkeeping with this section’s purpose. The pod being missing is not necessarily an “error or a flaw” as the decision could have been made intentionally to not include it.
You are taking a very literal interpretation of the rules. I do not represent Gaijin, but I’m fairly certain that rule is there to give the moderators something to point at if they need to intervene when people start going way off-topic talking about bugs. Or if people create threads explicitly about bugs in entirely the wrong forum section. In reality moderators take a more relaxed approach most of the time.
Also the full rule is:
Alongside the rules of paragraph 3.5 above, reporting game bugs, errors, or other flaws is not permitted other than in the Forum’s section(-s) related to the technical support of the Games.
The “Machinery of War” section falls within the umbrella term “related to the technical support of the Games” when it comes to issues with the implementation of vehicles. This area is regularly used to discuss issues with how vehicles and how such errors should be addressed by Gaijin. In addition moderators regularly engage with such topics providing updates on the status of reports.
If the forum moderators do not have a problem with vehicle implementation issues being discussed here then you shouldn’t either.
+1, i would definitly like to see a thermal pods on a russian aircraft. Using the su-25T/su-39 integrated camera makes it way harder to find target than on others nations (Atlis, Tiald, Damocles…). Plus it is already in the game file.
I was doing research and saw your posts on https://www.secretprojects.co.uk about missing info such as field of view and sensor resolution. To be fair, gaijin could simply implement a 1st generation thermal view instead of the actual night vision on the merkury, and keeping the actual FoV. Considering the two pods have about the same camera size. We have a lot of things in this game that aren’t exactly accurate, so this would cause no problem.
Concerning the Kinzhal radar however, i have doubts. As seen of technical plans, such as here :
Dont you think the Kinzhal was a choice inside the suspended container ? Like you could chose to either use the Khod targeting system, or use the integrated system and use the Kinzhal insted the Khod, but in the same container ?
I might be wrong, but i find it weird to be able to put a radar and a targeting system simultaneously.
In fact, Khod was tested on the T8M1 plane and Khinzal on T8M2, so i imagine you could mount either one or the other in the same container ?
Yes, naturally, but they rejected bug reports due to “little information” even though many things in the game have only approximate characteristics.
Thermal imaging devices are roughly implemented, just division by generations (and completely inaccurate), so yes, Khod is 100% 1st generation thermal imager in game classification. Angles of view to give from the mercury also nothing prevents it
I understand your doubts and don’t know myself if it’s possible to cram 2 systems into one container at once.
However, the radar of Hrizantema has very modest dimensions and is also millimeter range, which probably gives me the right to assume that the size of Kinzhal is smaller than Kopye-25.
I found the information about the co-installation on this site, which looks extremely accurate and reliable.
Actually, the number 3 and 4 of this document might be the answer for gaijin : they descibed the field of view of the merkury system, and then just said the Khod suspended the same way as the merkury. It lets me thiniking than if they did not describe the Khod caracteristic, it might be the exact same as the merkury.
And concerning the radar and the pod being in the same container, it might be true.
Is there any way to contact the author of the post, DIMMI, for morre clarification ? I dont speak russian and i dont have an account to check this, but maybe you have one ?
I will give it a try, however on all forums like this the account is verified by a moderator. I’ve been waiting for this on another forum for 2 weeks now)
I dont know i he is going to even respond, considering it’s been more than 10 years, but you should try to re-open your gaijin.com ticket about it. For the Visual confirmation part, i cant see if you already inculded this pics : .
(if you did in the google drive, maybe they didn’t open it, because it is clearly a visual confirmation. ) and for the caracteristics part, just tell them considering it should have about the exact same FoV as, the merkury.
Well, unless some magic happen and we find the caracteristic of the Khod, one way or another, i guess we will have to wait.
It’s sad that gaijin sometimes introduces unrealistic things (f5C with flares) but when there is proof, photo and report evidence, they cant just convert the NVD on the merkury with a TVD…
Thing is, those aircraft are only strong in a context.
They are strong because they are on the russian side, so often they are no aircraft to take them down.
Also you’re kinda forgetting about SIM, where a thermal imaging pod would be an immense plus, especially with harrier gr7, or tornado.
We do not want this pod to make su-25t/39 OP, we just want it because it is really interesting, and it is the first thermal pod ever designed and built by russia.
I understand, the problem is they are already very good at CAS and making them better at it would make russia even more dominant than they already are.
You don’t have any of these airplanes on your account. You don’t know if they are strong or not.
All 11.3+ Stormtroopers except the Viggen and even many earlier ones have thermal imaging.
The Su-39 is the airplane with the WORST flight characteristics of the 11.3+.
Su-39 is an airplane with minimum number of TV armament (some colleagues have 4 TV bombs).
Su-39 is a plane with the worst aiming system, which is dozens of times worse than its counterparts, because its angle of view is negligible and forces you to fly directly at the target, which does not give you the opportunity to maneuver and dodge anti-aircraft missiles.
Any other aircraft can throw a laser bomb or missile and fly to the side getting a high angular velocity, which at a distance of 7-10 kilometers makes it almost invisible to SPA.
The Su-39 has the worst all-around missiles which are vastly inferior to the AIM-9L, with some aircraft having both TV bombs and medium range missiles, and can take both at the same time
I can send half a dozen reviews where people call the airplane garbage. It can only kill tanks when there are no SPAs and no other planes on the map. Otherwise it is powerless.
No, it has no more capabilities than the F-14B, Mig-27K, Tornado IDS, Harrier Gr 7, F-4E (lol 11.0 has 4 TV bombs, and medium range missiles, while it is a supersonic aircraft with excellent maneuverability parameters)
I’ve already detailed what the Su-39 should look like to avoid being a laughingstock, where it’s only strong when no one resists it. In such a situation any airplane is strong
Lol, well then you could introduce the F-14B without the phoenix. It would still be a good airplane. But for some reason they gave it medium range missiles even though it’s an attack aircraft.
The problem with the Su-39 is that the current model in the game doesn’t match the design of the airplane at all.
The Su-39 is a versatile all-weather attack aircraft that is capable of fighting off enemy aircraft on its own.
That’s why they developed a thermal imager and a radar that can see stationary tanks.
And that’s why they added the R-27.
There’s none of that in the game. It’s literally a Su-25 that was added a Shkval and 2 TV missiles. And because of that they raised the rating by 1.3, which is just a disaster.
I’ve seen the opinion of a dozen experienced pilots who said the current rating of the airplane should be 10.7 max
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