The R-27EA was most definitely made.
There was no R-27A. All test variations used only used the extended range motor.
Not a single image of what? Have you not looked hard enough?
They said they never make a buyable top tier vehicel. So no…
Mind sending a source/photo for that then? As there is to this day not a single example of one being shown, and all so far that “were” shown are just different variants.
It was according to reports, and they don’t mention extended motors. Around 12 were made, and yet to this day there is not a singular trusted report about a “27EA”, aside from some random mockup (which isn’t even fully known to be it) once shown in the late 90’s and never shown again.
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R-27A was test fired iirc
Iam gonna try finding the source again
The thing with the r-27 is that it is a modular missile, so they could have just put the seeker on a r-27e
But I get your point
It was never seen in the r27ea configuration
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The documents mention it I think.
Also about the R-27EA, only a mockup ever existed (allegedly), and even then it would not only be not valid for addition (as iirc, the bare minimum for addition is testing), but probably also due to very low amount of info. I don’t think modularity changes things
I found this photo of the seeker as well
(From left to right:
R-27r1/er1 seeker, r-77 seeker, r-27a/ea seeker)
But yeah there isn’t that much info on it available
Yes, they’re shown in the book
Also, from what I can see, the “27EA” hasn’t been shown anywhere else during the airshow, not even on Su-33’s or other aircraft. It wasn’t seen ever since.
The su33 probably wouldn’t be able to provide proper guidance for a arh missile anyways.
The only planes that are currently ingame and able to guide the 27a/ea would be the Mig29smt, Yak141, Su27sm and Su-30sm
There was a proposed upgrade for the su33 that would have integrated the r77 on it but it got canceled because of the carrier situation in the soviets union and the lack of funds after it’s colapse
Well but doesn’t this text mean the missile was launched 12 time using RGS-9B-1103 , towards the end of the year there were 2 controlled launches (1987)? I am not perfect in reading by no means but, some one correct me if I am wrong, this supports the evidence that it was used all be it during test phase.
The R-27A was tested, yes, but there is still no R-27EA proof
Well we can surely continue the testing phase during air battles to improve upon flight performance.
Isnt this the image of R-27 Ea in military arsenal ?
Ahh yes looking at the seeker of the missile it is R27-R my bad, website mis informed me stated that it was EA but looking at the seeker it appears to be R-27 R
What photos do you want to compare them to? I’ve gone through this game with about half a dozen people, and without a baseline there’s simply “nuh uhs” thrown around between blatant denialism.
It had been shown dozens of times, twice in Paris and at 4 of the most attended MAKS expos (including a 21st century showing) on multiple different aircraft.
Even your image:
shows 109 with R-27EAs.
You can see the same aircraft with the same missiles, in which the extended range motor is very clear.
This is an R-27ER.
That’s a pair of R-27Rs.
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Yes I figured that out by the seeker head website miss stated.
Su-35 #709 with R-27EA
Su-33 #109 with R-27EA (It can't operate operate with the missile, sadly)
(I ain’t payin royalties for this^)
Comparison of Su-34 #48 with R-27ER, if you want a baseline:
It’s a EA. Pretty sure the ER seeker is different and doesn’t have that seeker inside
Now there needs to be proof of an actually produced one, as I highly doubt thats a real one, and proof of testing of the specific variant is also not available, at least as of now. Most images so far are either colored in mockup colors or are just mockups. Or so I assume they are, as I’m pretty sure active missiles are not allowed in exhibitions
Ah, thought I had linked another image. That is an 1103 inside. Good clarification.
None were “actually produced”, the program itself never received contract.
There are no “mockup colored” R-27EAs, all of them either brandish basic service paint or high visibility demonstrator paint. I’m yet to see a de-armed R-27EA.
Active missiles are most definitely allowed in exhibitions and expos. Explosive ordnance, on the other hand…
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Hmm russian missile with only seeker being made but not fitted? Where did i only hear that before in regards to warthunder.
the seeker was made and test fired on a mig-29
it was not fitted to the R-27e as far as we know