will still get trashed by su30sm until it gets an equivalent amount of them
if you remove the su35 double r77 pylons we would have “only” 12 missiles in total (10 fox 3 or 8 if you carry 4 r73s) rafale has 8 micas, it is faster, more maneuverable, better radar, 360 rwr coverage, seems fair to me.
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Can be even lower of they force model a nonfunctional EW pod
yes, true, but the EW would need to be functional and not just an aesthetic thing
you dont need to carry 4 r73’s in bvr
also, considering r77’s still being better in bvr youre going to win as you can fire at kmax which will be significantly higher. not only that but “better radar” doesn’t matter if su30sm’s radar is good enough for the engagement at the weapons envelope range. the su30sm’s rwr is also good enough for notching.
speed for rafale will be less as if it continues to fly straight it will die to a missile fired at kmax, it will bleed its speed in a situation where you wont because you most likely are out of mica’s kmax even until that.
also not sure why you called it a su35.
the fat boat need somethin to defend if someone forces you to dogfight, i dont trust that much on the su30sm to hold its own with only 2 ir missiles
only if the enemy fly straight like a bot cause you know, the r77 still has a massive drag.
it matters.
when you turn to notch you are 100% blind to where the missile is, you keep trying to notch while turning with just your eyes, so yes the Rafale 360 RWR coverage is an advantage.
if the micas are fixed it will have better range on a faster platform than the su30 which will give an extra boost to how far the micas can go, the su30 also can’t fly straight otherwise it will eat the rafale missiles
the r77 double pylons are something that only the su35 has ever mounted untill now as far as i know. gaijin added this to the su27sm and su30sm based on the assumption that it could as well, since there are no technical differences to it.
and i would gladly trade that for the AL-41 engines and the lighter new radar on the su30sm2
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like i said this scenario is for bvr and youre taking a bvr loadout. you can avoid a dogfight at those altitudes with 2x r73 and rest being r77.
if you feel incompetent at your qualities and want to take more r73 because youre scared that youll somehow get into a dogfight then thats not my problem
exactly so they have to maneuver to bleed their speed when fired at kmax or they die, so the “speed advantange” isnt a thing here
like i said, if you can use your radar to guide your weapons at the weapons range and have a sufficient lock then you dont have a problem.
this does not prevent notching and additionally i’ve never had a problem with this in any aircraft. it doesnt take any skill to look at what direction the missile is coming from and to notch that.
not at kmax and you most likely can keep the rafale defensive due to having more missiles and being able to fire at kmax.
if there are no technical differences then there arent
everyone has opinions as to what they want for this and that. youre getting su30sm this way it is balanced and good.
Well, I was fair with my arguments and i made no judgments as to whether or not you have the competence to deal with the r77s or the su30, if you feel the need to be hostile in this way, I will stop responding to you because you are just arguing for the sake of being argumentative :D
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My first message in this is literally about liking the j11 (RVV-AE are R-77s).
R-77-1 having better range seems like a great change of pace.
Considering how bad R-77s are, I don’t think R-77-1s are going to do much better if at all. Its problem was it losing lock. Unless the Lock problem was fixed, range means nothing.
Having flown all capable Russian aircraft that carry R-77s, I can tell you first hand that they aren’t good, unless your sub 8-10 km.
Good thing top tier meta is 10KM beyond amramm spam.
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Oh yeah no I agree. The lack of range is the most annoying part. I vastly prefer pl12s, MICAs, and AMRAAMs myself. But that’s why I’m curious to see how the r771 will do, because for the most part they seem to benefit vastly from the additional range.
i dont think any competent pilot believes that they will end up in a dogfight in bvr combat and need 4 r73 instead of 2 of them. if someone merges with you at altitude then you have a severe skill issue
Like I said, if they can hold Lock similarly to the Amrramm maybe they’re going to be comparable finally.
Range was never the issue, but planes whom turned at once could evade the R-77, or simply out run it. In my F-15E experience, I brought more flares than chaff as the Rafael and the other thing came out.
That’s when I was spading my F-15E, and not only did I find the Aim-9ms extremely powerful, but so were the Aim-120Bs.
The thing it lacked was turn capability, but I could out run literally everyone.
R-77s I literally just ran away from, instead of chaffing them. Then I reset the fight and and either fired an aim-120b which works decently at low Alts, or I’d sneak up to send an Aim-9m.
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What vehicle have you been flying?
I suppose I’m asking because…you seem to have just GE’d your F15E completely. Likely, you have done the same with your Su-27sm. You don’t have enough kills in any mode to have any sort of opinion on how these missiles work. It’s honestly quite frusturating to see. You seem good at using SAHR, though. Are you perhaps repeating things that you heard other people say? Or?
Can I chime in? R-77s are bad at BVR, and coupled with the horrible N001, it’s just bad. That’s why I use it in BVR WVR and even shooting at 15km is a gamble
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Yeah I haven’t disagreed there. I’ve been restricting mysdelf to using them within around 15ish km, because outside of that it’s a agame of roulette to see if they actually hit. Too much energy loss for 20km shots. They pull fine but it’s just not good enough for me. Usually, thogh, 2 launches is enough to kill someone; so the su20SM would be fun for that, or if it got slots where it could put r27et (I don’t think it does).
As for the radar:
LMFAO yeah. N001 sucks. I assume N001VEP isn’t much better. The lack of DL targets really, really holds them back. I haven’t bothered grinding russian planes because the chinese ones will eventually just overtake them completely; how is the N010 on the 29SMT? Is it any better at all?
I haven’t bothered with the 29 line yet (I have it researched up until SMT, but I’m waiting for discounts to buy it), so I can’t really say. Allegedly it’s better than the N001, but tbf anything is better than an N001
No it’s from Experience… also, why on earth would I waste GE on modifications? I have premium.
Well, they have yet to totally fix the radar on the SMT, since it’s launch it consistently drops lock for absolutely 0 reason. It can be a perfect target or the worst target, it will still randomly drop lock as if it’s being jammed or something strange.
It’s FM is also worse than it’s predecessor… although it gets more fuel.
You know anyone can see absolutely every drop of RP you’ve ever made from a plane, right? in every mode?
Maybe it’s only the SMT you have used with r77.