im not the one making the claim “su30sm flight model is innaccurate”
if you make a claim, then provide proof for it
infact i never said anything whether it is accurate or not, however you did. now considering your reply you’re claiming that it is inaccurate but you can’t provide any evidence
therefore i dismiss your opinion
flight model problems existing with other aircraft does not mean they exist on su30sm. if you dont know how the flight model is like and what should be expected of it, you dont get to say that its inaccurate - thats literally nothing but a random person with no evidence making random claims
also, visual models are made by completely different people than flight models
Well logically speaking, the Su-30SM shouldn’t fly worse than a Su-34…
The MiG-29smt radar is still busted to this day and it’s years old
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i didnt make any claim.
Your answer implies that the FM is accurate, otherwise why would you say “prove it is inaccurate”? just to be argumentative? why would he need to prove it to you? do you really think that the su30sm should perform similar to the su33? su33 is the worst flanker ( im not going to include the su34 since that thing is made for ground attack)
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Also the Su-34 is a Fullback, not a Flanker 🤓☝️
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Still a part of the flanker family
Did the “🤓☝️” go right over your head?
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Yes it’s 11:00pm and I can’t sleep lol
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Grid fins not modelled right tho
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Have you ever flown an R-77 equipped aircraft?
weird how post stall and vls maneuvering are cut out from the chart, which is where the su30sm beats the su33 you mentioned due to thrust vectoring… conviently left out as usual to provide a false image of maneuverability.
yes pls, go and do tvc/post stall maneuvers in air rb to get maybe 1 kill and right after be killed by some other 2 guys flying at mach jesus
thats why it is irrelevant to mention tvc/post stall maneuvers,what matters in air rb is how well your plane can turn and maintain speed, two things the su30sm is not so good at (to be fair, it turns very well, but the reason for that is that you are constantly losing a lot of speed…one more thing that you can’t recover fast enough -speed-)
why am i explaining this to you? YOU KNOW THIS ffs
if the su30sm was at least on par with the su27sm str i would be ok with that, but be on par with the su33 is not something good.
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post stall maneuvering definetly matters especially in dogfights. get slow, put an r73 in the ass of your enemy and continue
apart from that the people who want to ratefight for 3 minutes are the ones who also eat missiles despite being “fast”
again; your point was that the su30sm isn’t realistic because it maneuvers worse than su33 however it is realistic because it maneuvers better than su33 where it should but now you changed your argument into “thats meaningless”
however thats just realism for you. again, if you dont like the russian doctrine for how they use r73’s and the jet was made for one circle then go play eurofighter. it never is and has been a two circle fighter jet and wont be, it would be unrealistic.
so, eat it up and also the su30sm shines in bvr so pointless to complain about needing the best dogfighter anyway
D: exactly, but not for air rb since what matters there is how fast you can notch and still being able to maintain/recover your speed
no it wasn’t, my point was that the STR should be better, or at least it should be expected to be better, the SU33 is old and fat, at least I would rather assume the SU30SM solved the problems the SU33 had.
my original point was: why do you keep questioning the su30sm’s FM if you also have no proof to say that it’s “accurate” now? And again, do you really believe the su30sm should perform on par with the su33? well then russia should keptusing the damn su33 and upgrade their radar and put tvc on it since a 1998 airframe is the same as a 2012 one.
no one (at least not me) wants the su30 to be the best dogfighter in the game (but for sure you aint complaining about the EF and Rafale), i would like the plane to not fall out of the sky after 2 turns, thank you.
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notching wise considering the missile tti’s and the advantange of having significantly more missiles on su30sm than things like eurofighter youre going to have the advantange of firing at kmax and you will have sufficient time to notch and recover speed and also get the kill
so youre just assuming more numbers mean better thrust to weight ratio, yet the su30sm had so bad twr that they had to design an additional upgrade later on to try and get a better thrust to weight ratio, wouldnt be needed if it was already good enough.
and the question as to why we dont have that in war thunder and instead have an early variant is because su30sm is not in need of buffs, it kills in bvr.
complain to the people who made the aircraft then. they made a 1 circle fighter out of it.
or, or, just hear me out, lower drag.
i would gladly trade the double r77 pylons for the lighter and better new radar and al-41 engines, the rafale isnt the “early” variant in the game either.
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I’d rather just the new engines instead of adding Irbis also (from what I gathered though, should perform similar to Bars but with better gimbal and range)
which comes at the cost of what? less lift
doesn’t need to be because it still gets trashed in bvr against things like eurofighter or su30sm if they have competent pilots
not necessarily, for example: everything I could find about the su27 OE is that it is something between 0.60 and 0.70, in wt it is still only 0.54, somewhere gaijin is doing something wrong with the drag of the planes (all ofthem), making them have an overperformance in one part and an underperformance in another
just need to fix the mica range, as far as i know current mica should have longer range
