Su-30MK2 should not be 12.3 in ground battles

[ron_23]

In the new major updated ‘Spearhead’ a new rank 8 premium was added to the Soviet tech tree, the Su-30MK2.

In ground battles it sits at a BR of 12.3 with these loadout options for air to ground guided weapons:

The Su-27SM which sits at a BR of 12.7 in ground battles has the following loadout options for air to ground guided weapons:

The Su-27SM which sits one BR step higher than the Su-30MK2 cant carry as many A2G guided weapons at once mainly the Kh-29TD and the KAB-1500Kr, so that poses the question:
Why does the Su-27SM sit at a higher BR than the Su-30MK2?

If anything the Su-30MK2 should sit atleast at the same BR as the Su-27SM for ground battles.

[Zitrone3_2]

100% agree

[somebody_Else]

On the other side of the coin, no reason for the Su-30 to be the same 12.7 BR as the F-15E/I

Decompression is a must

[ron_23]

@somebody_Else

no reason for the Su-30 to be the same 12.7 BR as the F-15E/I

if anything the Su-30MK2 has more of a reason to be there than the Su-27SM

[somebody_Else]

Neither have a reason, just compression

The Su-27 at least makes up for it a bit in the CAP department, not being as heavy or as weak engines as the Su-30

[Zitrone3_2]

Disagree, I take KH29s every time over maverics, also by that logic the j11b should go down in br

[somebody_Else]

@Zitrone3_2

also by that logic the j11b should go in br

Why would it?

[Zitrone3_2]

Well you say there is no reason for the SU30MK2 to be at 12.7 and the J11B is worse at cas then the
SU 30mk2 so it should go down

[somebody_Else]

Funnily enough, you left out the word down the first time

the j11b should go in br

But my brain unconsciously filled in the missing word as ‘up’ without me noticing

But yes, no reason for the J-11B to be the same BR as the F-15E/I in GRB

[Zitrone3_2]

@somebody_Else

Funnily enough, you left out the word down the first time

Oh sorry its 1am for me hahah

[somebody_Else]

No worries

[AlvisWisla]

It’s 12.3 because of the AMRAAMs, let’s be honest.
Without them it’s barely an 11.7 platform at best.

Su-27 is higher because of having more AMRAAMs.

[Viper-team-45]

Better question why is the Su25Sm3 12.7 when all it has going for it is Kh-38ML and Kh-38MT

[ron_23]

because the KH-38 is one of the best if not the best air to ground weapon in the game

and it is already at a lower br than the other kh-38 platforms due to it being a worse platform than the Su-30SM and Su-34

[戦車だって恋がしたい]

@ron_23

Why does the Su-27SM sit at a higher BR than the Su-30MK2?

Spoiler

[Ganymedes73]

There’s nothing wrong with the SUs, currently they’re exactly where they’re meant to be. The real issue lies in how missile targeting works. Right now, it’s an automated system where the player simply presses a few key shortcuts—and suddenly, six missiles are launched. Enjoy, ground units.

This applies to all similar weapon systems. They operate without any need for visual contact, intelligence, or skill. Where they are TV guided, and game is doing it for them.

Just a button to be pressed that earns RP and SL. It’s unrealistic and completely disrupts the ground battle experience.

that my 50cts, nothing wrong with CAS and tilting the game ure way. But this is just silly.

[Dontkev-psn]

Sooo, how does it come that the Su-30MK2 is still 12.3… when we compare it its better in nearly EVERY way than a Tornado SLE/GR.4 which is also 12.3…

Su-30MK2

Tornado SLE

Tornado GR.4

• Flightmodel: Su-30Mk2 > Tornado
• A2A: Su-30Mk2 > Tornado
• CAS: Su-30Mk2 > Tornado
• SEAD/DEAD: Su-30Mk2 > Tornado
• Defense System(MAW/RWR/CMs): Su-30Mk2 < Tornado

[AlvisWisla]

Love the perspective.

I do want to bring more perspective myself.
At 12.3… unless you’re uptiering 12.0s… not gonna happen for CAS, cause none of these are good for 12.7, and Su-30MK2’s CAS options are abysmal for 12.3. Though its anti-air capabilities easily keeps it for 12.3.

SLE is easily as bad [arguably worse], even if SLE has IR glide bombs, you’re limited to 3 if you bring a targeting pod, and 4 without.
At 12.3 there’s no decent method of using them, and I’d say SLE should be a maximum of 11.7 in ground.

Tornado GR4 is a bit different. Having access to ALARMs, and IR PGMs, the GR4 easily has the best CAS loadout of all three.
However, due to lacking air to air I’d say GR4 is a maximum of 12.0.

12.3 SPAA memes on all 3 of these jets if they play CAS, and 12.0 SPAA is potentially too powerful for GR4 as well.
Su-30MK2 at least can play as anti-air where the 12.3 SPAA isn’t as big of a concern for it.

[Dontkev-psn]

How many of these 3 Planes you could play yourself?

[AlvisWisla]

Su-30MK2 as anti-air.

For CAS… none of them in my current state of rust. GR4 would be the closest to me figuring out how to not die while pushing PGMs into tanks, but it still should be moved to 12.0.
SLE is unplayable, as I implied in my post.

If F-111F/C can be 11.7, SLE is easily extremely over-BR’d.