Let me preface this by stating I don’t think the Strv 103c is a bad tank by any means. HOWEVER it is over BRd by quite a bit. I have almost 900 vehicles in this game and this tank is easily the most frustrating one to play out of all of them. I think it should sit at 8.7 or more likely 8.3. At the 9.0 BR it is outclassed by almost every tank for one simple reason, stabilizers. As you get into the higher BRs being able to shoot on the run is imperative. On paper it looks like it should do good at the 9.0 BR, it has a good APFSDS round, good mobility, laser range finder, decent armor, but none of that maters if you cannot move for most of the game. Realistically you cannot swing corners, you cannot brawl in it at all, everything at 9.0 (and God forbid an uptier) has rounds that will make your angled armor useless. If you want to do well in this tank you have to pick a spot and not move. And even that strat fails a lot because of CAS and helicopters, kill two or three tanks and you can bet that there’s a bomb with your name on it coming right for you. Also almost every time you get hit you will catch on fire. At least with the Strv 103a and the premium you’re at 8.0 and have a fighting chance every now and then. Just my take on it, it’s the only tank that feels like I’m uptierd even in a downtier
Nah it should be 10.0 I can’t seem to kill it instantly 1% of the time so it should be a higher BR because it’s too strong at 9.0
it was 8.7 when I started playing last year but they moved it up with the t55m because Swedish players are stupidly good at the game.
Yeah I remember it being at a lower BR, I wish I would have used it then. (Side note I thought it curious that you rarely ever see anyone playing them anymore, well now I know why) It’s practically unusable at 9.0, Other than very specific spots on certain maps where you can hull down from 2+ KM away. I have never been set on fire, or one shot so many times in my freakin life. Like this tank is easily the most frustrating thing in this game for me. Even if you survive the first shot, you’re on fire and engine is dead so you can’t do anything other than slowly roll back down the hill as you repair hoping to get below eye site. I truly believe it needs to sit at 8.3 and it would probably be a struggle there as well
Just shoot them with an HE shell and they’ll be stuck shaking forever in that spot. It literally the most gaijin thing, gaijins adds a vehicle to Sweden with a gimmick. Says they fixed its problems then ignores it forever lol.
For being a 9.0 vehicle it lacks in every category except reload for a 9.0
the strv 103a is absurdly strong at 8.0 but also absurdly situtaional. The 103c isn’t much different, but the competition is far, far better at being able to deal with it. the chassis is great vs HEAT and APHE, but awful vs darts. Everything at 8.7+ fires darts and nearly everything is fully stabalized. It could go to 8.3 and and be fine, though its only other tank at 8.3 is pretty mediocre.
Is it? I’ve killed quite a few at 8.0 with missiles or even over pressured it with HE lol.
Sure it’s situational but it’s definitely not that good even at 8.0, I’d say it’s mediocre, can’t go down, but can’t go up. Should probably buff it’s reload or finally fix its engine or pen value
Gonna definitely be a hot take, I’d rather my T-54 over the 103, because the T-54 isn’t as map dependant
T54s are truly awful. I’d take them over nothing. China literally has a T54 with stab, better turret drive, and apfsds at 8.0.
i have more nukes in the 103 than just about any vehicle. On a long range map you are nearly unkillable APHE, HEAT, and most HE aren’t going to do anything except kill your engine. LRF with HE can kill you, but you need to hit pretty far back on the ufp to hit the crew compartment. Anything forward of that can’t overpressure. atgms can pen through the ufp and armored firewall and darts can go through everything.
Its got a 4s reload. not sure how much faster you want. even if it was faster it doens’t impact the performance of the vehicle.
I agree that the 8.0 variant sits in a much better place, but like phoenix said if you get hit with HE (if you don’t get over pressured) you cannot shoot back, you just sit there and violently bounce until you’re able to move again. I also agree at extreme range you’re basically untouchable, though that is so incredibly situational I wouldn’t even count it as a plus. I’ve only found a couple maps with decent hull down spots that you can actually shoot out of. Also the fuel tank being front and dead center makes it easy to set the Strv on fire, they do that twice and there nothing you can do. Also this is war thunder and there is CAS so hulling down at extreme range is only viable for so long. I think anybody who’s played the 103c would agree that 9.0 is way to much, in my not so expert opinion I think 8.3 would be a nice competitive br for it. It most CERTAINLY shouldn’t be a higher BR than the Turm III and the t58
As for the performance of the 103s the engine should be split into two, both can run the entire vehicle and adding them as two separate models would allow for the forward engine to eat most rounds and allow you to still move a bit unlike it is now.
Additionally the gun is longer than the Centurion yet it has the same pen which is unrealistic, and as for the reload 3s is what it’s actual reload was capable of. For a vehicle that’s only solid on long range maps with hills that aren’t uneven and too steep we might as well buff it even more so that it’s not as useless especially if you want to play it on maps that don’t benefit it’s playstyle.
You could argue the reload is a too big of a buff to add on but I fully believe the engine and ammo needs to be rebalanced and worked on additionally with how wonky the aiming is especially if God forbid you get shot with an HE shell and now the tank acts like you have rabies and you’re near some water.
I tryed more and more time to say 103c is just dredfull to play at 9.0 (like from when it was moved from 8.7 to 9.0) but no one care and if they do usually its because they think isp to low probably for theyr incompetance in fithing it
It is just about unplayable I hope gaijin moves it down eventually