the only time it’ll ever fight a WW2 heavy was in a full downtier, and if a 7.7 heavy gets up tiered, the strv 103C would be the least of it’s worries, like seriously, there’s ATGM’s.
besides, you just shoot a single track on the 103 and it’s immediately worse off than any other tank at the BR if they get tracked.
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Okay, you seem to be a bit slow. It’s RHAe is 140-150 because it’s sloped. the actual thickness is literally 40mm. It is a paper vehicle, the only rounds that it can bounce are full bore with low penetration.
It takes far longer than any tank at it’s br to line up a shot, it’s rounds are below average in performance.
It doesn’t matter if it’s hull down. it has no armour. 7.7 apds easily pens it frontally. you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about.
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you can kill the STRV103 by shooting it on the roof with the 122mm B-412D round from the IS6 or T10A
Theres Br 471D at 7.7. With 27 seconds reload. Without a rangefinder.
If you complain about its armor so much it sounds almost like you are standing exposed all the time. But idk. And even if you get hit, doesnt the strv103 have an autoloader and superhumans inside so can fight pretty much without penalty even if only 1 person is alive
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You can bonk it on the roof with APHE and kill it in one shot usually. its also not difficult to estimate it and hit the shots
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In all fairness this thing shouldn’t be 9.0 its pretty silly, like the T55AM1 and AMD1 being moved up with a barely functional dart.
The first shot rule always applies.
You can kill a t80bvm, a strv 122b or any other top tier tank in a 76 sherman just by being able to shoot first. Doesnt mean the tanks are equal.
You can hit the drivers port of an t80bvm in the strv with apds and kill it. Yet it doesnt mean they are equals.
Because for it to happen, that still means you have to spot it first, aim and hit and not be fucked by volumetrics. And if you fuck up wait close to half a minute to do it all again.
Its the same for the 103, which is probably gonna stand further back hull down camouflaged.
Im well aware how they play, they used to be brutal back in teh day, they arent that big an issue now, if anything the lower BR one is the problem not this one that even APDS off of an M60A1 AOS can go through…
Also the reason im saying htat about the APHE is its actually a very reliable way to take them out, can do it with most heat rounds as well, even the 152MM heat on teh sheridan will overpressure its roof.
The 103C shouldn’t be 9.0 period . not without decompression.
Ah yes the age old conundrum
I am not saying a 7.7 heavy is equal to an 8.7 (sort of MBT) , im saying its still easily possible to knock it out frontally with a 7.7 round.
that was it.
Don’t confuse one statement for another, realistically even 8.0 APDS can rip this thing to bits
hesh one taps it alot on the roof as well BTW even the 105 hesh
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It has 40mm of armour, less than some rank 1 light tanks, and you’re talking about it like it has good protection, infact you siad it has “pretty good armor at 9.0” which is moronic and obviously and varifiably wrong. it’s one of the worst protected medium tanks at 9.0, the same was true when it was at 8.7.
It’s also extremely telling that you’re rating it’s protection against shots from a tank that it could only previously face in a full downtier, and is no longer in it’s BR bracket. It’s almost like you play lots of 7.7 soviet and are having a whinge that there’s a vehicle you couldn’t kill by facerolling.
The 103s literally can’t move or aim if you take out their transmission, which is at the front behind 40mm of armour. if you track it it can’t even aim properly. you’re delusional.
The 103’s have by far the worst gun handling at their BR, it’s among the worst in the game. you clearly have never used one. your analogy actually supports the case that the 103C shouldn’t have gone up, and probably should have gone down.
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You should know, as everyone else does, that just because its green doesnt mean you can actually penetrate something. As the Protection analysis has some weird quirks. Then theres still tanks with worse apds, none at all or other quirks.
Anyway, engine block+transmission will mostly not lead to crew death, aiming higher will not lead to a mobility kill. So pick your poison
and exactly which tanks at 9.0 are better protected?
Most tanks that were 9.7 before have moved up to 10.0 and those old 10.0 are now 10.3.
I dont understand why you are pushing so hard to move 4s apfsds down to 8.7. When gaijin has shown intention of moving every apfsds slinger above 8.3 for the last patches.
Or is it to escape the early mbt matchmaker at 10.0 that can actually punch down on the strv103 in an uptier.
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And immediately get eaten by the engine or fuel, the issue is making it through the entire tank to where the crew is, not penning the hull
At least that is the issue I have always had with it, I sit there shooting it over and over, and eventually a teammate comes over and kills me. It is quite annoying because of the one crew operation as well, on the right side I have an easier time killing the crew because of it having less modules over there (I think)
This also does not make it bad armor, the abrams UFP is also incredibly thin, however they are extremely angled, this does not make either a “paper vehicle”
Again yes, but you also completely cripple the tank with the first shot, even from an 8.0 MBT
T62M-1
Chieftain Mk10
are just two off the top of my head.
gaijin has no Fking idea what they are doing rn with BR’s hence why the shr 2 went to 10.0 and still hasnt got the L23A1 round, or why we still have such massive compression between 8.3 ground all teh way to 12.0
and 11.3 air all the way to 14.0
but yeah gaijins moving all the APFSDS sligners.
Got the T95E1 witha better dart than the T55Am1 sitting at 8.3
got the AMX30B2 and Brenus still chilling with a 9.3 dart at 8.7
You’ve got the M60 RISE at 8.7 with darts
shall I continue?
Yes I shall.
Got the ZTZ59D at 8.3 with a DM23 equivelant dart and a LRF
and the T62 / turan 6
at 8.7
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I’m not sure if you’re even being serious. the m60tts for one. how about you find a 9.0 medium that has worse armour?
Because it’s bad. it’s reload is irrelvent, it can’t aim well, has no turret, it’s rounds are below average penetration and it has no armour.
Any APDS can punch through the armour and transmission. this sounds like a skill issue. just aim for the crew, you’ll immobilse it then get the crew on the other side.
It does for anyone with an IQ over 90. you can see the ricochet angles on rounds, the ambrams has it’s angled 83 degrees from the vertical, the 103s have construction angles of 79 degrees on their UFP and 72 on their lower, but their lack of a turret means that it’s almost always worse. the 100% ricochet angle is 81 degrees and the 50% is 80. can you understand that?
Go and test APDS rounds, on vehicles even as low as 7.7, they reliably pen the front and pass through the transmission.
Just because the round doesn’t ricochet doesn’t change how effective armor thickness works. You don’t need an IQ of over 90 to understand this, you just need to have played the game.
Have you played with 1st gen apds before? Its angle performance is terrible, making the armor on the strv 103 even better against them. I don’t get how you are reliably penning through the entire tank, but the tank you are using is clearly not from 7.7
I don’t mean to be rude, and try not to, but In my experience I have never easily taken out a strv 103 without tracking it, or flanking it in some way or another. The whole point of having your engine and transmission in the back is so your crew survives. That is my stance on the topic. though I have yet to try this
Most apds in game cannot pen it, only the chieftain apds and the m728 can actually pen it(neither are at 7.7), and even this can bounce off as they have a 100% at 90º and a 50% at 78º, it also stops short rod apfsds like the 3bm25, the 3bm3 or the t320, some of thise like the t320 is extremely likely to ricochet as they have a 100% chance at 78º.
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