The Strv-103 doesn’t have a stabilizer either, it takes about 3 seconds to adjust a shot.
Not to say that it’s also impossible to aim.
T-72s and early M1A2s are probably what comes to my mind
All f those are 10.3 now.
huh- with all the recent changes i really cant remember what i face at each br
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Strv-103A is at 8.0, it does the same thing as Strv-103C does.
Strv-103C has a little bit more horsepower, fence armor that does nothing and APFSDS round.
It’s barely any better than Strv-103A and it shouldn’t warrant a full BR above the original Strv-103.
the strv103c could face
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Amx40 and i think T64b + new challenger event at 8.7 (they were all 9.7)
They all moved up to 10.0 except for the t64b, old 10.0 moved to 10.3.
So the tank still faces the same enemy mbts as it did before
the strv103a is the only tank that is allowed to have armor. If it was in any other tree it would be 8.3 by now. Check out the balancing of the Maus and t95 for similar armor centric tanks and then check when heatfs is introduced at each nation that can completely negate their armor, leaving them slow, with 20sec reload
Apfsds is also a whole other level than apds and fence stops most old heat fired from uptiered enemies.
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“barely fight it” how? it has around 140-150mm of RHAe and like only a 60 degree slope. It’s easy to kill and tricky to play.
Sure, 140mm at 60° is pretty good armor at 9.0 considering most are driving around in 40mm sheets.
As is a 4sec autoloader that guarantees that you get a followup shot and doesnt allow the enemy any time to acquire you (if hidden),potentially turn the turret(if they have to), rangefind you (if hulldown) much less return fire. Punching with modern apfsds and not shortrod like most soviets or the xmbt 70.
I get that hullaiming can be wonky but its no excuse to put autoloading apfsds slingers into ww2 heavy br ranges
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the only time it’ll ever fight a WW2 heavy was in a full downtier, and if a 7.7 heavy gets up tiered, the strv 103C would be the least of it’s worries, like seriously, there’s ATGM’s.
besides, you just shoot a single track on the 103 and it’s immediately worse off than any other tank at the BR if they get tracked.
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Okay, you seem to be a bit slow. It’s RHAe is 140-150 because it’s sloped. the actual thickness is literally 40mm. It is a paper vehicle, the only rounds that it can bounce are full bore with low penetration.
It takes far longer than any tank at it’s br to line up a shot, it’s rounds are below average in performance.
It doesn’t matter if it’s hull down. it has no armour. 7.7 apds easily pens it frontally. you clearly have no clue what you’re talking about.
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you can kill the STRV103 by shooting it on the roof with the 122mm B-412D round from the IS6 or T10A
Theres Br 471D at 7.7. With 27 seconds reload. Without a rangefinder.
If you complain about its armor so much it sounds almost like you are standing exposed all the time. But idk. And even if you get hit, doesnt the strv103 have an autoloader and superhumans inside so can fight pretty much without penalty even if only 1 person is alive
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You can bonk it on the roof with APHE and kill it in one shot usually. its also not difficult to estimate it and hit the shots
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In all fairness this thing shouldn’t be 9.0 its pretty silly, like the T55AM1 and AMD1 being moved up with a barely functional dart.
The first shot rule always applies.
You can kill a t80bvm, a strv 122b or any other top tier tank in a 76 sherman just by being able to shoot first. Doesnt mean the tanks are equal.
You can hit the drivers port of an t80bvm in the strv with apds and kill it. Yet it doesnt mean they are equals.
Because for it to happen, that still means you have to spot it first, aim and hit and not be fucked by volumetrics. And if you fuck up wait close to half a minute to do it all again.
Its the same for the 103, which is probably gonna stand further back hull down camouflaged.
Im well aware how they play, they used to be brutal back in teh day, they arent that big an issue now, if anything the lower BR one is the problem not this one that even APDS off of an M60A1 AOS can go through…
Also the reason im saying htat about the APHE is its actually a very reliable way to take them out, can do it with most heat rounds as well, even the 152MM heat on teh sheridan will overpressure its roof.
The 103C shouldn’t be 9.0 period . not without decompression.
Ah yes the age old conundrum
I am not saying a 7.7 heavy is equal to an 8.7 (sort of MBT) , im saying its still easily possible to knock it out frontally with a 7.7 round.
that was it.
Don’t confuse one statement for another, realistically even 8.0 APDS can rip this thing to bits
hesh one taps it alot on the roof as well BTW even the 105 hesh
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It has 40mm of armour, less than some rank 1 light tanks, and you’re talking about it like it has good protection, infact you siad it has “pretty good armor at 9.0” which is moronic and obviously and varifiably wrong. it’s one of the worst protected medium tanks at 9.0, the same was true when it was at 8.7.
It’s also extremely telling that you’re rating it’s protection against shots from a tank that it could only previously face in a full downtier, and is no longer in it’s BR bracket. It’s almost like you play lots of 7.7 soviet and are having a whinge that there’s a vehicle you couldn’t kill by facerolling.
The 103s literally can’t move or aim if you take out their transmission, which is at the front behind 40mm of armour. if you track it it can’t even aim properly. you’re delusional.
The 103’s have by far the worst gun handling at their BR, it’s among the worst in the game. you clearly have never used one. your analogy actually supports the case that the 103C shouldn’t have gone up, and probably should have gone down.
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You should know, as everyone else does, that just because its green doesnt mean you can actually penetrate something. As the Protection analysis has some weird quirks. Then theres still tanks with worse apds, none at all or other quirks.
Anyway, engine block+transmission will mostly not lead to crew death, aiming higher will not lead to a mobility kill. So pick your poison
and exactly which tanks at 9.0 are better protected?
Most tanks that were 9.7 before have moved up to 10.0 and those old 10.0 are now 10.3.
I dont understand why you are pushing so hard to move 4s apfsds down to 8.7. When gaijin has shown intention of moving every apfsds slinger above 8.3 for the last patches.
Or is it to escape the early mbt matchmaker at 10.0 that can actually punch down on the strv103 in an uptier.
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