Brimstones are not as deadly as KH-38 but I agree it would still be to much to have 18 so I would happy if they made it max 6 but with F&F. and they can just choose to not modelled the seeing through smoke stuff and I would still not mind.
yeah see the issue is, CAS is the only thing keeping the british top tier line up competitive, their tanks are some of the worst in the game, they have the worst SACLOS SAM for top tier (I specified SACLOS because I know someone will come in and say hurr do durr but italy, isreal and japan all only have IR SAMs) and they lack light tanks, their only one is the Desert warrior and from what I have heard its worse then most of the other 10.0+ light tanks
Yeah… lack of FnF Sucks in air modes, but SAL does mitigate the quantity advantage. Though i REALLY hope we get Brimstone 2s on the Typhoon
3 Likes
considering peoples reactions to it I highly doubt it and we are gonna be stuck with a missile that is supposed to have a 20km+ range but apparently only guides for 60 seconds so never makes it past 15km, and you can only hit one target per pass so I hope there isnt more then one enemy SPAA
We might see domestic indian lightweight Multirole Fighter with EL/M-2032 and I-Derby ER (FOC configuration) someday
i mean there is also the glaring example of magic 2’s, added well before the game was ready for their full capability so they just brought them in with a fictional seeker model & less flight performance so they could function in a balanced way within the context of the game at the time. I completely fail to see any reasonable reason why such a thing couldnt be done with brimstones to make them more or less on par with other nations options rn. Personally, i think they should’ve either given them a radar seeker without any loal capability to increase some counterplay using hard cover and also eliminating the concern of people just being able to yeet them all out and see what sticks, or simply just added an IR guidance brimstone option for the meantime. I dont even play the nations with brimstone access much, so dont really have a vested interest, but still think only providing a laser version is a very lackluster solution given the particularly poor flight performance of the missile.
2 Likes
There is a very easy to implement solution to this, one that in fact was in the game for a while: certain nations are always tied together, and others can’t be on the same team. This would ensure that at least most of the time, Russia would be against at least one nation with Brimstones.
2 Likes
The AASM Hammer is kinda awful, it is slow, not maneuverable and has a smoke trail. To launch them from a long distance, you need to climb (Which sometimes is not possible). But the funniest part is that it has a drop speed limit of Mach 1, while the rafale doesnt have airbrakes. So every time you exceed that limit, you have to perform some awkward maneuvers to reduce speed. I would take the AGM-65 or Brimstones over the AASM any day
from what I seen on the dev server they seem to be very similar to the PGM500s, which are pretty good and I would say are a lot better then the brimstones but not as good as the AGM-65s
They are not complete yet but in Dev Server I would say they was ok. You can look for an idea on how they will be in my thread about them. I’ve forwarded every informations about them.
2 Likes
Yeah those mach 1 drop restrictions are super annoying especially in stuff without airbrakes. Su-34 also encounters the same issue which limits the effectiveness use of its bigger guided bombs in grb. You really need to stay as fast as possible, but then have to do some wild manoeuvres in order to slow down quickly to get the ordinance off in a short window of opportunity. Usually leaving you much slower and more vulnerable after the drop than a more controlled deceleration with airbrakes would. ATGM’s and bombs which can be launched faster than mach 1 are just way way more usable.
The new FAB-500T UMPK has a drop speed of about mach 2 afaik, so that one will be gtg. ISN’T TV guided however like I thought. GNSS only.
oh nice, if thats the case i think i’ll be running them in the center undercarriage pylon for sure. The 3000 UMPK is pretty nice but that speed restriction really is a killer, i think i would rather be able to stay fast over having the bigger explosion radius myself.
1 Like
Again mate, I think everything you’re saying is reasonable, and I can’t fault the rationale in it.
I’m just off the firm stance that ‘unlocked’ Brimmy’s so to speak have got to be a no no until everyone, GB/GER/ITA included, get something that can reasonably counter the thing launching it from the ground.
You’re very correct to point out to me things like KH-38 / AGM-65 being examples of what I don’t want Brimmy’s to be, and how it can be perceived as a rules for thee but not for me situation. I just don’t want to go down the slippery slope of ‘x’ gets something that ruins the game, so everyone else should be able to ruin the game too lol. At that point, there’s no game worth playing left.
Once those longer range SAM’s come (hopefully early) next year, then I’ll be accepting with taking off some of Brimmy’s shackles.
Referring to the whole and meaning the majority or a lot is a very common thing that everyone does in some capacity. When you say “you do that all the time”, for example, you don’t literally mean that, but rather that that person does it a lot. This is the same thing. The majority of people asking for the Brimstone to be buffed want it to be FnF, not LOAL.
Hypothesis:
Last time they touched AAB/ARB, they broke stuff in air sim.
This update is likely gonna be super rushed.
They’re FINALLY fixing the stupid auto ticket bleed in ARB.
However, sim EC kind of relies on “auto ticket bleed” for gaining points as the team that gets “cover bombers/attackers/survey plane” and stuff.
Assumption: Sim EC is gonna end up broken and objectives will only give point to the “destroy” team.
1 Like
I think LOAL will be added at one point even though it was denied. There was word in the Q&A they’re going to implement heavier AA so weapons like Brimstone could be offset by these very long range AA systems. LOAL can’t be that effective if you can’t even get close enough (depending on what type of long-range SAM system is implemented and how it is implemented). It’s typical for something to be denied for a while until they develop a workaround or test it. I mean look at FnF, that went through its period of denial.
Excerpt from Q&A
Q: In Ground Realistic Battles, top attack aircraft are capable of dominating ground vehicles for the most part. Are there any plans to do something about this in 2025?
A: According to our data, the balance at the top ranks of ground battles is noticeably shifted towards aviation and helicopters, and this balance has become even worse with the introduction of top aircraft this year. The situation where aircraft can attack tanks from a safe distance with impunity makes gameplay more boring for aviation and less fair for ground vehicles, a similar situation is with helicopters equipped with long-range fast ATGMs, or “fire-and-forget” ATGMs.
To counter these types of threats, more powerful systems are needed that have the ability to fire at several targets at once and a wide search sector in both azimuth and elevation. The most advanced SAM system currently presented in the game only partially meets these requirements, so we’ll move towards heavier systems for all nations, including those components of which are located on several chassis. Of course, we’ll have to solve the problem of controlling these types of SAM systems, but we’re already having thoughts on the matter.
In turn, there are plans to add new capabilities for aircraft. And while we do not consider anti-radiation missiles (ARM) a priority and necessity, more advanced capabilities of ESM from on board an aircraft, i.e. more accurate determination of the active radar position, are in our fairly close plans.
So the update is due on 20th?
- You take a KH38
- You remove half its speed
- You add a bit of lofting (it feels like it lofts a bit more than KH38, but not by much)
There you have it
And you can copy pasta it 2 times, one with GPS and one with Laser.
The laser one can act as GPS too, except if you get inside 20km of your target, you can guide it precisely near the end of its flight.
I feel like the GPS + Laser ones are going to be the strongest, even if they are not F&F.
IR ones would be stronger if the missile was faster, but imo slow IR missiles tends to be less reliable, as things can get in the way by accident (dead thing, house, trees), and they are easier to intercept for AA.
Laser ones can be launched as GPS, you can forget about them for a while, reposition, and laze whatever there is at the last moment. pretty strong imo.
In any case : it won’t be a fun party for whoever is on the receiving end, that’s for sure
1 Like
I always love people when they moan about C&P there are some hilarious takes like this one here
“There are leos in every tree,” yes of course it will be because it one of the most exported MBT’s in the world.
“Every tree will be getting the M44” well duh last time I’ve check the US was a major arms exporter and had a huge military industrial complex.
9 Likes