Who picks these ? I wanna remind them not to forget Israel again lmao
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Why do you hate it lol
Not a fan of it myself (looks worse than every teen series fighter) but don’t really hate it
That’s weird, because there’s only one documented loss of an F/A-18C during the gulf war, and it was shot down by a MiG-25.
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Might’ve been a2a only?.
I don’t know the story exactly, hence the ‘goes something like’.
Moral of the story, they missed, tornado didn’t. Thats the point of it. i still like F-18 and don’t like tornado lmao
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Like I said, they have use cases, they’re just highly inefficient, like if you want to nuke someone chances are you’re using SSBNs and they do have a specific use case, being the absolute best form of nuclear deterrent.
But if nukes ever go off, I can’t imagine the B-52 being all that useful afterwards, on account of the world likely ending.
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No it lists all losses, actually the Navy lost a second F/A-18 during the gulf war, but it crashed due to pilot error so not combat related
With a lot of these stories I have come to find a lot of inconsistencies I no longer pay them attention.
Cruise missile harder to intercept than ICBM, and for the cost of a sub you could have a whole fleet of nuke equipped b-52
Yeah the tornado was really good at runway cratering, weren’t they supposed to fly super low towards the nearest soviet bases if the cold war went hot? If so, those were some courageous pilots flying them
I did a quick look because now I’m curious. I think this story was overly exaggerated by the RAF, or some other British party (if it ever happened). All the airfields I looked at were either knocked out by the US alone or as a joint operation with the RAF. Plus that’s too many F-18s lost.
I have a very unjustifiable and wrong opinion that somewhat alienates me from the other Brit mains in that if its not cool I don’t like it, and I don’t find Tornado cool.
I actually discussed this with someone the other day and let me tell you my opinion on Tornado is not popular amongst people who actually know things about Tornado.
The simple answer is that I don’t like the concept behind it being an abysmal dogfighter with high wing-loading. I think it is better to design a fighter and make it into a multirole, than to design an interdictor and have it be a crappy A2A fighter.
Something like the F-15E for example is based on a fighter platform and in its ultimate evolutions, was better than a tornado, though the Tornado might have had individually better systems you can put those into a good airframe. I think the Tornado is not a good airframe but rather an example of many good parts assembled together with the prowess of a monkey with a blowtorch.
When it comes to Tornado I would rather hate it for existing than educate myself and realise its good at what it was designed to do, I just think what it was designed to do is a lower priority than the other things.
That said I am happy to recognise the Tornado for its great systems, but the airframe imo sucks.
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I haven’t got a clue how many are lost to be honest, I had hoped to convey in my message just how rough I was about the story, it seems not enough.
To be honest the only time I ever heard the story in-person from an actual person (to emphasise I am not insulting anybody online) was from an armchair general who swore the lightning was the F-22 of 1956, I also hate the lightning so that doesn’t improve my opinion. I have seen it referenced a lot online but I don’t know.
I’m sure there is truth to the story, and also based on my bad recollection, that implies a joint operation if both sides tried to bomb the place.
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With the fact a certain vehicle on the lists my last hope for a vehicle is basically gone(even more so if the US gets it’s variant)
So it’s back to hoping Gaijin remembers that WW2 vehicles should be attainable (because when Gaijin remember vehicles from that era exists 90% of the time they are unattainable)
It sounds like it might be a real event, probably a joint USAF/RAF operation, that was slowly twisted into some kind of one-upmanship. Assuming the event was real and not someone’s collection of faulty memories.
Probably, I am 99% sure it’s based on a real story. But I don’t know it well enough and I am actively looking for a source about a jet I don’t even like.
The British projects I don’t like is truly my red flag/character flaw.
I checked again and the one I was thinking of has an anti-ballistic missile range of 40km, with the possibility of earlier models of the MIM-104F having only a 40km anti-air range due to a weaker motor (although that’s up for debate).
ye F-15E just cooler overall, i agree
and it has better individual systems than a tornado to boot, for the most part
The Tornado did however exist before the F-15E, if you were to compare the F-15A/C with a Tornado Gr.1 in ground attack you’d find both can drop dumb bombs but one is a better interdictor though probably in my opinion due to the systems on Tornado rather than the airframe being particularly exceptional, and the Tornado retired earlier which you could argue is an example of a lack of future proofing, but it was replaced in that role by eurofighter.
There are 100% merits to tornado, and definitely things it did well, I just don’t like it as a package.
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