To be honest, I like the Jf-17 a lot more than the j-10 or j11. It’s so beautiful, symmetrical, it looks vaguely like a Hornet. Well, conceptually it’s straight f-16. I wonder if block 3 will be worse than j-10c? In theory, their electronics are identical.
You can argue that the JF-17 shares some limited lineage, but at that point it’s really a completely new fighter.
DSI intakes, engines, new wings and hornet-style LERX, radome, cockpit, etc.
Man, I sure love this attitude of forcing everyone to just accept what has happened as forever set in stone
The Block 3 JF-17 isn’t as good as the J-10C, unfortunately. Both in terms of flight performance and radar performance.
The J-10C has a massive thrust-to-weight ratio advantage over it. The radar being a domestic and not designed to be an export product will likely be better.
I mean, do the devs look like they’re going to change their minds on this one? I’m not forcing anything; I’m stating what they have already decided
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Should have PL-9 too iirc
Its radar range is only 30km. There’s no point of using PL12 in that jet
I’m convinced it’s going to be the shenanigans route at this point.
No it’s not. But the Su-34 is not equal enough in the BVR world, nor is the Su-27SM to the F-15C or the F-16C. Until the R-77-1 comes, and something has at least the N011 Bars to go with it, all Russian designed planes regardless of capabilities (TVC, HMD, nice dogfight missiles) will be hugging the ground and playing rat-mode. That’s the problem.
Must be nice lol. We have broken FM’s, broken radar refresh patterns, and drag that’s incorrectly modelled for our only ARH. Pretty sure the F-15E wouldn’t be too much for the game if they just fixed the rest of the nations.
If you’ve played the Su-34 with a 6x R-27ER you’ll notice two things. One you can joust just a little bit with the SPAMRAAMers. But it’s mostly just to force them defensive, and you are dumb if you think you’re just going to sit there and guide that missile in to the target. You will eat an AIM-120, even if you get the kill, you probably won’t escape one launched at you by the time you finish.
As nice as the R-27ER’s velocity is, it suffers in the terminal phase in both the early and terminal phases of guidance depending on the target distance and altitude. It really only shines in good conditions, and when you are chasing down someone trying to return to base.
I was hesitant to switch to a full R-77 loadout on the Su-34, but I eventually did, and it’s the only way I play it now. I still run R-27ET’s on the Su-27SM, and I probably will continue on the SM because as you’ve said, it is the best IR missile in the game. That being said, gaijin has not seriously worked on it’s seeker nor the R-73’s, the FOV really doesn’t focus down well enough in all aspect for either missile, and they become situation dependent. For context, a rear aspect on an F-14 is basically a guaranteed kill unless someone dumps flares, gets some terrain help, or can somehow out run the missile (possible, but difficult). Likewise, the R-73 is great in HOB shots from unconventional angles, mostly because the flare dispersal pattern does not distract the missile, this is also why 1.25-0.9km shot are also good. Anything beyond 1.5km and the target has a chance, unlike the AIM-9M which demands you shut off your engine, change direction, and spam flares (even then, not a guaranteed dodge).
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JF-17 is good, but it never got the interest of the PLAAF.
Mostly because Chengdu aviation corp has a massive delta-canard fetish and they spent decades researching this configuration.
And Shenyang has an affinity towards the Flanker platform. Even the J-35A has some aspects that look similar to a Flanker, especially from the rear.
right now in this update gaijin should add the Python-4, PL-8B and R-73M as the later batch of IR missiles from the 4 generation and next year between october/november and december its the most safe time to try to go ahead with the next generation.
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What do you mean no point, PL-12 doesn’t just stop working within 30km, in fact it’s still your best option 4km+
Agreed, iirc they should lose a lot of speed when pulling hard but not as much as in gamr
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In fact you regularly don’t shoot further than 30 kilometers if you want to secure a kill.
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Well, they aren’t going to change their minds if nobody tries to sway them.
The very least they could do is implement this suggestion:
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We should consider the fact that there’s no proof of this jet ever firing a PL12.
Maybe this better than j-10c? JF-17 PFX — Under-development next-generation version of the JF-17 with the “PFX” suffix standing for “Pakistan Fighter Experimental”. The JF-17 PFX program aims to enhance the JF-17 to a level surpassing the capabilities of the JF-17C Block 3 variant, currently the most advanced and capable version of the JF-17.
That is what was said, it could maybe use PL-12
JF-17 PFX is likely years away.
And even then, the PAF doesn’t place the program above the J-10CE that they have bought, more as something to supplement the J-10CE.
the Python 4 sure but why the other two? its the planes using AIM9Ms that are lacking in the IR area.