No, it really doesn’t.
That’s a bad analogy. Planes at 5.0 have better A2G capabilities than planes at 1.0. Same cannot really be said for 5.0 - 7.0s.
SPAA should not be competitive. It’s meant to be a cheap disposable deterrent.
Yes it really does.
Not really relevant when a strong fart kills you in the TPK. The enemy plane could be loaded for A2A and still have no issues killing you.
Says you. And yet it is then only defence players have against CAS. And also you’re looking at it wrong. It’s not competitive in the sense that any other nation that actually has SPAA at these BR is going to perform much better than you are with your 5.7 SPAA you bring to a 8.0 match. Competitiveness against planes is second in importance here. Competeitiveness between SPAA is first. It’s like bringing a M4A1 into a 6.0 match and being useless because everyone else’s tanks are better. Same idea
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Wait what,
Do you have any official sources about this take? Either Gaijin ot Military doctrine. :/
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Yet, you claimed it’s strong at its BR, so it shouldn’t have issues fighting 7.3s which are armed the same. Not to mention, even if CAS actually was a problem at 7.3 (it isn’t) you can just spawn CAP.
Surely, you’re atleast as skilled as the average CAS player, to get enough SP for a CAP plane.
False, players have CAP.
The effect is completely negligible. You’re never going to lose a battle cause a minor nation has slightly sub-par SPAA.
It’s more like bringing an M2A4 to 2.3. You’re not quite as strong as the M3A1s around you, but you’re still very capable.
So you’re saying a 20mm armed jet is the same as a 20mm armed prop? Why did anyone ever bother making jets in teh first place then??
CAS is a problem any-time it spawns and yes I do spawn CAP if you find that hard to believe BECAUSE IT’S THE ONLY DAMN RELIABLE OPTION I HAVE WITHOUT ANY BR APPROPRIATE SPAA!!!
Not everyone likes playing planes and wants to grind the tree up to 7.0+ planes
It affects your playstyle severely so it’s not negligible.
No it’s actually more like bringing the ZIS-30 to 4.7. You’re still technically as strong as the T-34-57 but a strong fart kills you.
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So, you are suggesting a solution for SPAA gap…
-Sending other SPAA into stupid BR
-or just spawn a fighter plane.
Even if this is true, this should not be reason that minor nations keep getting neglected and keep maintaining SPAA gap.
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No, they’re not the same. Jets have a shorter window to fire at you.
False
Don’t complain about a problem that you refuse to fix.
No, not really.
The same applies to a person in the SPAA. Would you be so bold as to oppose that?
difference of opinion
Did you even read my reply?
No of course not how would it possibly? Let’s say I die ( to tank/plane irrelevant) and I knwo there is a bunch of planes up. But I either don’t have a plane in my lineup or I don’t have enough SP to spawn it. I am now powerless (if I don’t have an SPAA that is severly overtiered in such a lineup) or severly ill equipped to handle such threats even if I wanted to. I know teammates can hardly be relied upon to keep the skies clear.
So I then have to cower in fear of planes because I can not really do anything against them. 0 effect on playstlye you say…
Yes, but SPAA only needs a single shot to connect to destroy a plane most of the time. CAS needs a large volume of shells or bullets to connect to actually destroy an SPAA.
I also forgot to mention, being faster means it takes longer to turn around for a second pass, so it’s harder to capitalize on killing the gunner.
Jets do certainly have an advantage over props, but it’s not nearly as big or influential as you think.
You said some people don’t wanna spawn a plane to shoot down CAS. To that I responded, don’t complain about a problem that you refuse to fix.
I don’t see where the confusion is.
There’s no good reason that a single SPAA should be strong enough to solo multiple planes.
Even noobs can be expected to keep the skies clear if they have CAP.
The scenario you’re describing is called a “steamroll.” It’s where one team has a significant advantage over the other, and the result is an SP imbalance, and such a severe imbalance that you can’t even spawn CAP. This SP imbalance leads to one team gaining uncontested air superiority. The cause of this is not CAS, nor is it your SPAA being to weak. The cause of this is simple team imbalance.
No, really you don’t.
Well you did a good job of trolling with illogical opinions.
The 2 AA before the Skink in the British Tech Tree are better than the Skink. Guys in the thread showed you the stats you ignored them and then proceeded to say it’s false.
Every word you said after that means nothing. You were just gaslighting yourself at that point.
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Yeah sure but we’re talking about the TPK here. A single burst is enough to kill it or take it out of comission for 30+ seconds.
I said I do spawn planes because sometimes there is not a good SPAA to put in the lineup. IDK how I can have any effect or “fix” the “issue” of people not wanting to play planes.
That’s not what I said. A BR appropriate SPAA can usually thin them out but a severely overtiered one will have big issues with that. I am not expecting to spawn in an SPAA and immediately clear the skies myself. I do however want a fighting chance at making a dent in the enemy sky power.
An oxymoron here.
No actually this can happen before it becomes a steamroll. IF that CAS is effective it often becomes a steamroll but not always. I never said the whole team has no points for CAP. They might still be in their tanks alive and I just happen to die without SP for CAP. But I cannot do anything about that because my options are spawning another tank (cannot fight planes really) or spawn an ineffective SPAA which is what I’ve been saying the whole time.
Ever heard of exaggeration as a literary device??
Sorry, but you being bad at using a vehicle doesn’t mean it’s illogical for someone else to say it’s good.
So you can get a free kill, using a 70sp 5.3 vehicle against a 700sp 7.3 vehicle, and still complain simply cause the enemy did damage (and didn’t even kill you)?
Congrats, you’re fixing the issue. As for people who don’t wanna spawn the exact counter to the thing they’re complaining about, they get absolutely no sympathy from me when they get bombed.
You’re expecting far too much from something free.
Ooofff we need this :V
Same could be said for dogwater CAS noobs just bad at flying, it doesn’t mean spaa is too OP because CAS noobs just can’t fly for shit
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I love destroying any open top SPAA with single unguided rocket that doesn’t even need to hit the target.
But trust me, playing air is so hard!
Imagine what happens when You just wait for good Opportunity to attack the SPAA instead of flying straight at it when it is shooting at You.
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Mate you have 9 respawns in the TPK I have 340. Believe me when I tell you the thing is not effective at the BRs you are telling people to use it at. You might get a kill and trade with the plane but jets have so much better flight performance that your engagement window shrinks too much while you are still as easy to hit a target than at lower tiers. Most jets at 7.7 and above can strafe the TPK without much worry if they have more than a single braincell.
You do realise this is nonsense again. Oh so you got bombed? No sympathy should have spawned in a plane at the start of the match. It always boils down to this same argument with you.
What are you on about?
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The whole TPK argument summed up in one sentence.
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but but but but but pangongling said: spaa only cost 70sp so they should be useless! cas cost 1000sp so it should kill 15 spaa via one click
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I have capped a zone/scouted/hit something, it is normal that I should have total advantage over anyone in the battle.
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lol, the noob who desperately wants to be noticed has spoken.
You’re not exactly someone I trust to do well in SPAA.
You’re gonna die eventually, no matter what, CAS or not. Trying to say that getting bombed is unfair is just silly.