Boo hoo, War Thunder continues to expand to be a military vehicle simulator with a huge variety of vehicles like it has always aimed to be. Not to mention vehicles such as Mustangs, Shermans, T-34s that have been in multiple trees since launch. If you want all trees to have no shared anything maybe you should try World of Tanks, that’s got plenty of fictional vehicles to fill development gaps and really unique nations!
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im not saying copy paste is bad but its been too excessive lately and they are tying to cover it up by hiding it.
*Brand new subtree for Italy. Looks inside. Copy Paste soviet tree with Gripen.
we’ve barely gotten any new unique vehicles this year and they keep on feeding us reused content over and over eventually ruining the flavour of things.
Look at Italy, they have 2 tornado’s , an F16 , a MIG-29, a harrier , a gripen and a leo. At this point lets make it even and give them an Abrams and a T90
Eventually as there wont really be any new tech available thats when we can see some copy paste, not now when there are many suggestions lying around they could add.
There is no way nations like Hungary or Belgium or any other nation can have their own tech tree so creating sub tech tree is the only way for Gaijin to add these vehicles. The uniqueness part of the tech trees is debatable… i consider China to have its own uniqueness since it has 2 lines, one soviet and one US provided equipment until both the ROCAF and the PLAAF managed to produce their own vehicles… but some people might just see that as copy paste, and i totally don’t care about their opinion, we are talking about subjective issues.
I always criticized Gaijin for adding non existing vehicles, paper designs and so on…
Im sorry but i just belong to a different group of players that were attracted by a game that no longer exist…becuse again, let me remind you, im talking about a reality that actually existed…
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Subtechtrees are also supposed to give more options to certain nations and Italy had a massive one in terms of Air top tier, the grippy was the best option, also ties perfectly with the lack of good MBTS and boom… 2A7HU.
The issue is will you add subtechtrees with vehicles that are outdated and no longer useful just because there’s other indigenous stuff? Italy had a top tier Ground and Air issue NOW and the addition of Hungary was spot on.
i dont have a problem with subtrees, its copy paste i dont like. Its low effort and lazy and i hate how they try to rebrand it like its not the exact same as the others
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I’m sorry to tell you but the simple existence of NATO means we will have copy paste.
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I don’t think Italy had a top tier issue. Sure they didn’t have a 12.7 fighter but they had a tornado, a F16 and a harrier better than others (Germany)
You said it yourself, they didn’t have a 12.7 fighter. (IMO Germany has the same issue in air, thus they need a subtechtree that gives them something good for top air)
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us having the same Profile Pic is tingling my brain lol
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That is why i didn’t included China or Germany in my rant becuse their mash up tech trees actualy have some degree of sense.
My point is why Italy should have a Leopard and. T-72? Just becuse is not strong enough at top tier? Ok but nobody force anyone to play Italy at top tier…
South Africa is a different issue becuse there actually things that are not present anywere else.
The so called “minor nations” have gaps that should be filled by player skills being more challenging then the “major nations” given their limited options…
For example the F-16 for Japan was given becuse they wanted to give something to Japan at top tier untill their top tier jets will come…
My point is: if you dont have a top tier jet for Japan, just wait an play another nation at top tier or if you really want to play Japan just play at a different Br…
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Italy has its own top tier players… so Gaijin has a target that they have to deliver to… thus the need for top tier MBT fixing their issues…
This is just double standards and says "You don’t play US or USSR? your bad skill issue… literally defeats the point of creating a “fun” experience for the players of other nations.
Once again, they have a target of players that play japan top tier and not having it will mean losing players… it would be negative for the players and for the company.
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Thats just plain wrong, so just because they picked a different nation starting the game means they shouldn’t have fun and just *get gud?
No matter how trash some aspects of this game is, they try to make it a a balanced and fair time for each person playing cause afterall its just a VIDEO GAME.
Everyone knew that Italy was in a pretty bad state, this 2A7 and gripen will really solidify their toptier lineup and boost their wr and drive revenue towards Italy
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Yes but it was a videogame even before…and even if i understand what you are saying, is not like the game didnt gave you options to have fun before: arcade, realistic, sim…different learing curves for every nations…
If you wanted to have a more challenging experience in terms of playing and grinding then you would opted out for certain nations otherwise for others…is up to you what kind of degree of fun you can have.
Rendering everything more similar is probably good for increasing the player base. But the quality of the game is going to be affected negatively.
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Everything you’ve said still exists today and is just enhanced by more possibilities for each and every nation.
Based on what? your subjective opinion.
Of course there is the personal taste. But what is objective is that we are talking of two different games…
And the kbjective factor is that the old War Thunder was unique becuse it had so many veichles and every nations had their unique play-style.
Now the second factor is becoming less and less relevant leaving onky the first one…which of course is remarkable and nobody can object to that.
But still, blurring the differences is a step down in quality becuse is done in order to reach out more players…not becuse is more fun. Otherwise you are assuming that this game in the past was not so fun…
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I’m sorry… Italy low tier had a “unique” style? the ground tech tree is basically “how many shermans can you put in a tech tree challenge”… where’s the uniqueness in that?
And there is no correlation to seeing more or less leopards and the game being more or less fun… There is no objective thinking here and your whole point doesn’t make sense… I would much rather agree with somebody saying that Top Tier Ground Italy was UNFUN until they added something like the 2A7HU since it finally gives you a good MBT that isn’t made of paper.
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Italy actually got those Sherman. Of course it was annoying becuse is copy paste but still, i don’t mind as long as is real.
As for the Ariete…you are partially right in the sense that is should not be a problem in having fun playing the underdog, as long as you accept the fact that you are an underdog. But also have to considet the fact that there are external factors that play a role…
For example if the maps and match desings are settled in very straigh way (and they are) of course this will create more disconfort in playing certains veichles which are less flexible…
So in this regard you are right speaking about the Ariete but at the same time this game offered you the choice: play the underdog if you like it or play the “main” if you like it.
And the point of grinding different tech trees was just because people could switch to different playstyle based on their taste, skill and confort at certain BR
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What is the point of grinding if you can have evrything from the three main nations in just one tech tree?
I’m oversimplifying but is just for the sake kf the discussion becuse i thing you understand my point…
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