F-5s thrive because the same players that turn fight them also turn fight zeroes.
The J7D is the epitome of rank 7 meta. It’s a better mig21smt airframe with the best rear/side aspect missiles. And it can also outdogfight the F-5C and E.
People who still think the F-5C is OP still turn fight zeroes or keep finding people that turn fight them. I’ve won F-5s on a10, su25, hunter f58 and MiG19s when it faced them. Or they’re just stuck in 2021. Rate-fighting non stop is not meta, especially when your plane has less thrust weight ratio than an F86K.
The J7D needs to go to 11.3 at best cause it absolutely ruins every single game it’s on. One does not need a brain to fire mach 4 missiles that hop through flares and then one circle everything with all the engine power in the world to virtually disengage at will whenever the j7d player starts messing up.
The F-5C is NOT a 10.7 worthy aircraft, 10.3 at best. The J7D is NOT a 10.7 aircraft, it’s a 11.3 one.
F-5s with the exception of the F-5E are… not rate planes. They’re energy planes. They have rather poor rate once you lose your speed.
11.0. 11.3 is BR where you start getting F-4Es and J-8Bs. The J-8Bs carries the same pl-5bs on a better airframe and can also carry aspides. J-7D is not an equal to J-8B.
Similarly, it is also not an equal to the J-7E, which carries the same pl-5bs on one of the best airframes of this BR.
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Missile barge with only 4 missile Vs highly agile gun fighter, not really things you can compare 1 to 1. J-7D is probably 11.0 worthy, but compression is what it is.
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F-5s with the exception of the F-5E are… not rate planes. They’re energy planes. They have rather poor rate once you lose your speed.
So how do you play energy in a plane that has literally worse thrust weight ratio than the su25? Are you gonna fly at mach 0.93 during the whole match trying not to get missiled not gunned down till you find someone tunnelvisioned onto something or someone else? Sorry, but that’s not a very “OP plane’s playstyle”.
11.0. 11.3 is BR where you start getting F-4Es and J-8Bs. The J-8Bs carries the same pl-5bs on a better airframe and can also carry aspides. J-7D is not an equal to J-8B.
So? If the MiG21Bis can face them all dandy with r60m’s, why can’t a mig21 bis with PL5b’s? The J8B is a fat pig compared to the J7D.
People like to forget that the whole point about all the F-5s are not the missile but the stupidly good guns with good velocity and trigger time as well as an fm that holds energy well.
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“Highly agile gunfighter” with the worst 20mm’s in game with less tnt load than Minengeschoß and the agility to be defeated by a clean wing su25 in a vertical rolling scissor, outrated by crusaders and one-circled by hunters. Mhm.
Hint: Su-25s don’t have as good energy retention, max speed and turn that the F-5C has. Just do a vertical loop and see it flop.
You haven’t even played the J-8B to call it fat. It’s a mig-21bis fm with better roll and engines dialed even further.
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Just ignore that the J-8B demolishes the mig-21bis airframe in any fight. I’ve literally gunned down MLDs in this thing.
Shit’s actually on par with the F-5E in some areas.
I’d take GSh23L any day over M39, sure gsh23l is 700m/s but it stays 700m/s throughout the whole two kilometers of travel distance it has at mach 1.1. F-5’s m39s barely reach 800 meters flying at mach 1.1 and go from 1010 meters per second to just 500 past 1/2 second off the muzzle. This is what people actually like to forget. I’ve never been one-shot by an f-5 even on my mig21s, most they did was a yellow fuselage or a black rudder.
Holding energy doesn’t solve anything at these BRs, especially when you’re 150 kilometers per hour slower than the next slowest supersonic 10.7 jet there, the F8U crusader.
You haven’t even played the J-8B to call it fat. It’s a mig-21bis fm with better roll and engines dialed even further.
So why do I keep outrating them on F-4E? Maybe zhongguoren mei you nao ?
200 rounds of 700m/s vs 560 rounds of 1000m/s+ is certainly a take.
Someone suck at using guns.
Congrats, you found bad players? Or maybe they bring full fuel for whatever reason. How many J-8s have you even met to even be able to make such a braindead take?
Like this is the J-8B’s performance compared to the J-7D. This guy clearly does not know what he’s talking about.
you’re stuck in pre gun drag nerf I see.
Pointless to continue speaking to you.
Guy who never played J-8 judging a J-8 is certainly a pot calling kettle black.
water pistol has always ranked consistently below F-5 guns for years now. This isn’t a drag nerf issue. This is a you issue.
Anyone who thinks a squirt gun firing at 700m/s or less with a whopping 200 rounds is somehow better than a literal railgun of its br, on one of the best dogfighting fm of its br, with 560 rounds of ammo is either biased or delusional.
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Not to mention they take the term “go cold” to a whole new level,
You do realise why Minengeschob was famous right? But yeah, the HE shells aren’t great… API on the other hand…
And yes the F-5s “agility” is dependent on good speed management, but “tricky too get the best out of” and “bad” are 2 different things. the J-7D is defiantly easier to do well in as you can just drop down on peoples tails and surprise delete them from 4kms IF they are not paying attention or are flareless (a serious compression issue). But if someone can force a fight the F-5 has much better chances.
What’s funny is that his own stats disprove him. 2.8kd in F-5C vs below 2 on every gsh-23 plane he flew. Quite curious that the plane he said sucks is somehow doing way better.
Guy who never played J-8 judging a J-8 is certainly a pot calling kettle black.
So why is this about me when you never played F-5C’s either? You play the NF-5A which is even better than F-5E cause 1: has F-5C airframe with F-5E thrust weight ratio and 2: sits at 10.7 with two aim9j’s where f-5c has two aim9E’s.
water pistol has always ranked consistently below F-5 guns for years now. This isn’t a drag nerf issue. This is a you issue.
Water pistol needs only a single click to down an F-14 Tomcat, M39 needs one second of burst mass to severely damage a MiG21 stalling itself out point blank.
You just keep parrotting the same things as everyone else despite having the truth in front of you.
Worse thrust than F-5E. Is better than F-5A/Cs however. That said they all share the same 2 traits: good velocity guns and good flight performance.
Yes, the NF-5A has more energy to catch up and disengage with people, but the way they retain energy and utilize it fundamentally does not change. Do you think going from a mig-21smt to a mig-21bis somehow just removes the delta wing nature between them? You still out dogfight literally anything that isn’t another F-5 at this BR?
still a mid missile that doesn’t kill much outside of unaware players. Mostly a 3rd party tool. Sure, its nice that it can more reliably kill stalled out or unaware people, but if I wanted to play a better missile dogfighter there’s better options at the BR.
Then why aren’t you higher stats in those gsh-23 aircraft of yours? For all this gsh-23 glazing there sure seems to be an interesting lack of stats to back up this supposed performance?
Having F-5C as one of your highest KD planes and simultaneously calling it overtiered is certainly a take of all time.
You should stop spamming the F-5C topic on the forum.
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