It doesn’t make you responsible - but if it becomes annoying for Gaijin, they may just throw down the hammer anyway. I’m not saying the tool shouldn’t exist, just that it might be wise to think of safeguards now, rather than when you attract the Eye of the Snail.
That’s what comes with a balanced idea and proposition… It’s the pros and cons part, where you’re only looking for the pros.
Lmao.
Truth is even if i were to make this would be overlay, these people wouldnt be my responsibility.
How does statshark have access to all the information about what player is in what match and what vehicle they are in live, mid game?
Also how do is it possible to generate fake custom battle invite messages with custom text for its verification codes?
Isn’t the site breaking Gaijin’s TOS by doing that?
Im afraind you cant answer this question without knowing how does it extract the data it uses and I would be interested myself, because what they do seems like black magic to me.
Exactly my words
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I was looking for forums about Statshark and was directed here since this is the general forum it’s been a long time. I feel they are honestly doing some shady stuff in the way they obtain data from the game that is against TOS.
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I changed my privacy settings in order to not have my data sent anymore as I think it is not the best way to play the game.
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Even though it stated my privacy settings were on in game I still saw Statshark obtaining my data and sessions when I had all my privacy setting changed. In my sessions tab it continued to collect.
I’m convinced they are using some decoy bot account or they have some shady stuff going on with Gajin Devs but this level of data mining they’re doing doesn’t sound correct from my perspective.
I am wondering what you guys think? (I know this topic is 11 months old but it still going unchecked)
EDIT: I personally don’t want any of my information on those websites unless it’s an official war thunder website. I did turn it off and back on to see how fast it would refresh and it was instant.
Holy necro.
youre kinda late to the party.
After the “incident” they changed the way they obtain the data, but its pretty much still anything that can be obtained by looking up players profile directly and it remains an extremely important tool for discussion.
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But how are they still obtaining my vehicle data from current matches while completely private? This just feels like they have decoy bot doing everything for them.
This was today and they even had all the sessions prior to this when I had it on for like 5 days straight. There is no way they could obtain these sessions with all my privacy settings on
My best guess is that they took the data here
https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay
And searched by your username. Thats prolly why nonmembers can update their sessions once a day.
But this doesn’t give any details on vehicles, just replays. Even if they are somehow replaying this it would require a WT account to view which would still violate TOS. This just feels suspicious still
Funny thing, one night the chat bugged out and wouldn’t let me connect to the main chat channel, and mysteriously my squadron user list became a user list for the main chat…
One of the names listed was a StatShark bot-styled account lol.
https://warthunder.com/en/community/searchplayers?name=StatShark
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Either Gajin said yes or they don’t care.
@Smin1080p_WT is there any actions being taken against statshark? Or is there something I’m missing in regards to TOS and how they’re acquiring my account data when it’s completely set to private?
No they’re just scraping service records, which are publicly available for all players via API as well as in game. They don’t leverage replays.
Because you can’t really hide your service record from other players, once they have your player ID, you’re in their system and being updated basically forever. The only way to avoid it would seem to be to uncheck the “leaderboards” option in game settings right when you create a new account. After a couple game sessions you’re on the leaderboards and that will no longer work though. But even then if someone knows your name and looks you up on their site (or you go to the site to check yourself if it’s working), the API call will also expose you and they’ll start tracking you anyway.
The exception is the live game viewer, where anonymizing yourself in settings should help hide your stats from other players using the viewer in the game you’re currently in (TBC).
They’re only making about $1k USD a month selling Gaijin’s own data to their Patreon subscribers via the live viewer. I’m sure that’s not Gaijin’s biggest problem at the moment.
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Service records from where? The only thing I’m able to find is community search but provides no details on game statistics in regards to vehicles or matches played with what vehicles.
I’ve only ever seen service records viewed from in game is there a way to see them outside? If so, can you provide a link to the api?
There are people who know if you look around for them. I’ve benefited from the data they produce for the community many times over the years. You don’t need to be an insider or to hack anything to get it. I’m not going to share links here though. o7
I understand third part sites but Gajin does not officially provide an API port for sites as far as I’m aware. I’m concerned botting is the only way to really get data on the fly. It would make sense if turning on your privacy results in public leaderboards not showing but it still doesn’t explain how they are able to get the users sessions on specific vehicles and matches if the player has all their privacy settings on without violating terms of service.
The replays only provide a replay and no where else on War Thunders official website is data be shown on what matches, games or vehicles I’m using.
I would take a look here for starters: Platform Newcomer's Brief Guide · GaijinEntertainment/gaijin-application-platform Wiki · GitHub. Statshark uses a very similar method to what’s described there. (Also note, I didn’t say there wasn’t any violation of ToS involved, that’s for Gaijin to say… I said it didn’t involve either being an insider or hacking to do it: different things.)
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Still reading through this then will get back to see. Going to day me a while.