No surpise… just another direct hit to an almost full ammo carouzel (20 rounds in) that is not exploding…
It is just another feature of the so called realistic game that War Thunder claims to be.
I am beginning to think it is all predetermined with one player or side being gifted buffs and bonuses whilst the other struggles.
With the broken BR and matchmaking system it only highlights and makes things even more lopsided, hence how you can swing from crushing defeat in one game to annihilating the opposing team in a few minutes in the next match.
No balance, no reason and a worthless gaming experience.
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An 75mm APCBC shell expodes in the turret and miraculously destroys only the turret crew but leaves intact all 109 pieces of ammo !!!
First shot to a T-34 57 from 66m distance…nothing…
Second shot turret is penetrated but still nothing…
Game is just RNG and scripted to benefit russian armour
The pen menu also useless. It shows green every shot i check
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???
What I gather from the last picture is that you hit the classic black hole that is the russian side skirt. These things are notorious for tanking rounds more than just about anything else in-game, simply due to the way the armor model calculates penetration. The simple answer is, it doesn’t account for weakness or “skimming” the side of a plate. If it hits the plate, it has to in effect go through the entirety of that plate from point of contact to whatever point of exit it is. The reason this doesn’t happen on other side skirts is the fact that most are entirely vertical, intending to server simply as protection against HEAT, anti tank launchers, and mines. T34s however, and most russian tanks, have a horizontal portion at the bottom. Practically, this only being like 5 millimeter sheet metal, a 150 millimeter round is not affected. Due to the volumetric penetration calculator, on the other hand, it being about 5 centimeters wide, when you hit it sideways it thinks the round is hitting 500 millimeters of armor. This is the absolute dumbest bug in the armor model and one of the easiest to fix, but Gaijin has repeatedly been shown to not particularly care as is evidenced by the fact that this glitch has existed for years and still not been fixed. As for all the russian bias stuff, there is a level of truth in that Gaijin does use independent russian reports for data on top of NATO on occasion, and their structure favors volumetric glitches, but realistically they’re not actually much better and are in many cases worse than their counterparts in other nations.
I dont think that this has to do with the side skirt. As you can see the projectile penetrates the track wheell and enters the tank lower than the autoloader stucture and creates a metal fragment ‘‘rain’’ that spreads and moves upwards damaging the autoloader and killing the gunner . The really weird thing is that this metal fragment ‘‘rain’’ passes through the autoloader and doesnt harm any of the 12 ammo pieces …not a single one was turned to a yellow or black colour …actually i wonder ( like in many other similar ocassions that i have presented in this topic ) ''WHERE ARE THE AMMO IN THE AUTOLOADER ? ‘’
I was talking about the original message with the T34, not any of the russian MBTs that people used as examples. There isn’t a T34 in-game with an autoloader. Maybe read the message a little closer next time.
ok, i thought you were talking about my last post
Looking closer your message …
T-34 E STZ has no side skirts…i did hit the hull side plate which is 40mm thick
Have you played russian tanks at all?
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You hit the bottom of the plate.
That shell hit right on the bottom edge where it applies a similar calculation as to armor thickness.
No, but I’ve fought them for 2300 hours. I said realistically specifically because they’re not perfectly accurate in-game, as Ukraine has demonstrated with a combination of poorly trained crews and tanks with a lot of flaws for varied combat such as poor gun depression, while some vehicles may be good others do perform rather badly. This is true for some vehicles in-game, but again, due to a variety of issues that their features/structure favors they do frequently overperform.
This is the kind of side skirt I refer to. It doesn’t protrude much, but it has a large horizontal portion 5-10 centimeters wide that, despite the sheet metal only being 2-5 millimeters in thickness, is interpreted by the armor model quite frequently as 50-100 millimeters of armor, combined with the standard 40-50 millimeter side plate then you get some pretty heavy armor. If heavier shells still do nothing, it would probably be because of desync or something, probably just another strange bug that we haven’t gotten patched yet.
Simple demonstration of the glitch I found where it thinks it can pen because it doesn’t technically model the skirt, but still calculates the armor value for whatever reason.
No you are wrong in many ways…
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I did hit and penetrated the side hull plate as i said and the projectile damaged the fuel tank that used to be there before it was removed after an update .
See older photo that i found from 2023 . (My post is also from 2023)
See the fuel tank perimeter highlighted red as damaged after the shot (but strangely no further damages not even a fire)
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In the same photo you can see that the exterior tank part that was hit by the shot has a white highlighted perimeter and that part is the side plate ONLY.
This is happening when you shoot to a tank from the same level and the shot tries to penetrate this thin sheet of metal horizontally .
As ypu can see clearly from the photo below i am on elevated ground (a small hill) 160m away from the T-34 and due to geometry its impossible to hit this thin metal sheet horizontally as you claim.
I have fought them and fought WITH THEM for 5400 hours so allow me to have a better opinion about it.
You are describing here two aspects of bias …
Did you just ignore the clip I sent? It does literally exactly what both your hit cam and you say happened, with the exact shot I mentioned.
I think you are the one that must read the messages a little closer…
The T-34 was penetrated and the fuel tank (which today doesn’t exist) ate the shell…
In your video you are performing a shot that doesnt penetrate the tank and also has these mistakes
- the shot distance is 500m the real distance was 160m
- you perform a perfect horizontal shot ignoring that i took the shot from elevated ground
- the point that you aim is not the point the tank was hit . You aim the horizontal plate and not the side hull plate .
Look in the photos below that the part that was hit in your test shot has a highlighted white perimeter ( i highlighted with blue too) and that is the side horizontal plate and the side plate is intact.
Your test shot
A different angle of the part you hit
Actual battle shot highlighted part
In the actual battle shot the side hull plate was hit and has this white highlighted perimeter and the fuel tank that ate the shell was damaged and has the red highlighted perimeter.
That shot can happen across all of that edge and does the same thing, that was just the largest section and the easiest to hit to take one clip. I don’t know why you’re still arguing, that skirt is notorious for eating rounds from anything. Most damage can be explained by the fact that the Breda 501 APHE has 347 grams of explosive mass, which is more than enough to overpressure. For that matter I don’t know why I’m still arguing with someone who even if you aren’t stupid clearly nothing I’m gonna say is gonna change what you think, right or wrong. Also, you joined in 2023 right? That’s what your Gaijin account says, mine says 2025 because I used a steam account for like 3 and a half years prior. I ask because if you did join only in 23 then you would’ve had to play for approximately 4.92 hours per day to achieve 5400 hours within a little less than three years.
Because you are talking about a different situation .
The real fact is that the shell penetrated the side plate hit and damaged the fuel tank which ate it.
You presented a fictional situation that the shell didnt penetrated the tank because it hit the horizontal plate.
it may be but this is not the case here. The fuel tanks eating shells were and still are notorious too.
Finally im playing the game for about 10 years
Good that you clarify, my next question was what were you actually arguing. This is feeling more and more like a situation where we’re both partially right, like it did somehow get messed up with the volumetric on the side plate and some obscure fuel tank property caused it to do practically nothing, and I think at this point we could both probably agree that it’s wasting time to continue arguing about something that was three years ago and has probably been patched since then. I at least think it’s kinda funny that just us arguing about this has kept this in like the top ten most active threads for almost a week. The last like 20 messages are just us going back and forth. Also thanks for clarifying playtime, and yeah fuel tanks got a little better but are still really weird.