Yea i agree and most claims are bs anyways.
Still should be able to resist some high-caliber rounds? You’re telling me that the armor can’t sometimes survive even those?
2S38 is like 20th. It’s 10.3, and inferior to Sprut-M and TAC-2C for the light tank role.
VT-5 fires the 2nd best 105mm round in the game penning more than 500mm of armor at 60 degrees [halve that for the statcard information].
Fuiji is 11.7 for a reason
at 11.3 we have the M1A1 with 600 mm pen and 5 second reload ( ace ), but thats a mbt
I feel like the cv platform cv90105 and cv90120 should be the best comparison:
at 10.3 we have cv90105
and at 11.7 we have the cv90120
and at 11.3 we have the vt 5
10.3 for 421 mm pen
11.3 for 491 mm pen
and 11.7 for 600 mm pen
So 1.0 br for a 70 mm increase but a 0.3 br for 109 mm increase?
All platforms have the same 5 second reload , and the cv 90 platforms have a similar platform to the vt 5
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first of all, M1A1 will only have 5sec reload when you have Ace Crew and thats not so easy to get. Barely anyone has that and with a injured/dead loader it takes alot longer aswell.
Also M1A1 has first Gen Thermals, and gaijin is known to BR stuff up the better the Thermal is. And Its a Med, having no Scout ability and no LWS.
CV 90120 is a papertank, thats the absolute papertank that will not survive any hit by anything. Also its a br higher already. So what is it u try to tell with that? That VT5 should go 11.7?
VT5 has everthing you want of an Light tank, only gun depression could be better.
You have nice Gen2 Thermals (i think its gen2, but its not useless gen1 atleast)
You have nice pen
You have LWS
You have very good mobility
You have a autoloader that is fast and makes you keep reloading fast even after you got hit and survived evventually
You have some armor, enough to not get killed by a random 12.7 from the guy you just disabelt but has still a 12.7 that he can use
You have a smoke generator that u can use to kill stuff as you can see through with your thermals (what many people are never use cause they are stupid)
You have HE-VT that are super usefull against helis and crap
And u tell me it should go lower br to 11.0 fighting poor 10.0? wtf
11.3 is fine, just because people are crap, tanks should not get lower BR. We saw what happened with 2s38 back then… by that logic you would need to make RDF a 10.3 tank, comparing it to 2S38.
The current armor of this vehicle cannot survive some higher caliber machinegun rounds which is pathetic. Even if the VT5 we have in game is a version with weaker armor you cannot be telling me that the armor can’t even survive a 50. cal.
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The m1a1 should ve 11.7 in all fairness
Same br as Click-Bait/Hc/M1A2?
Lol.
The m1a2s and such should all br 12.0
The reason they aren’t is due to the click-bait.
M82A2, good reload, good mobilty, decent armour, good optics only missing the gen 2 thermals and A2 solves that.
Leopard 2a5 is objectively worse in most regards than the M1A2 yet sits at a higher BR?
M1A1 has the same qualities slightly worse armour than the HC and that’s it.
Why it gets to sit at 11.3 is a bit ridiculous. Especially when the IPM1 sits at the same BR and is worse ?
M1A2 is not equal to Leopard2A7V nor Strv122.
SEP family is the counterpart for them so no.
Simply nonsense.
There is a reason why SEP family sits at 12.0 and that’s because additional ERA and Gen 2 thermals this is also the reason why there is only 0.3 br difference between them.
Due to firepower ,better hull,armor, better commander thermals,turret armor and turret spall liners.
M1A1’s turret armor is simply trash compare to Click-Bait/HC and M1A2, not to mention it has worse penetration and lacks CITV compare to M1A2.
IPM1 has the same armor that M1A1 has, only difference between them is the penetration power.
what is your point? no one said it’s equivelant to the 2A7V or 122B+ . VT4A1 isn’t, the CR2 Bn isn’t, the Arietes aren’t .
Hell even leopard 2a5 and A6 aren’t the same as those two tanks.
Got anything to say otherwise? if the Click-Bait wasn’t in game I can bet you the M1A2 would be 12.0 , it’s better than most the other 12.0s in game while it sits at 11.7
M1A2 has gen 2 thermals bud, same reload, round, armour, mobility etc.
the sep V1 most don’t run it with the addon armour either as it creates a HE shot on the roof in which you can be nuked into the crew compartment.
Firepower? in what way does the leopard 2a5 have better firepower than the Abrams ? it has worse pen, worse reload so it has worse firepower.
Hull armour on the 2a5 is identical to the 2A4, as I proved last time we discussed Leopards, the numbers from teh composites are the same.
Turret armour is about equal bar the spall liner which
Technically shown in game as having the same armour as well on the turrets BTW , only difference is a slight change in the technical data.
Also last time I checked which was years ago folks were saying IPM1 had worse overall turret protection in general compared to the M1A1.
Also we’ve taken this miles off topic from the VT5
EDIT; Aslo the M1A1 turret is not trash compared to the A2 it’s slightly worse that’s all.
EDIT 2 the IPM1 doesn’t have the same armour as the M1A1 BTW It has some upgrades to armour but not to the same extrent as M1A1
VT4A1 has APS,LWS and better thermals, heck the only reason why it’s 12.0 it’s because APS, same goes for Black Night.
No need to.
M1A2 has gen 1 thermals, at least try to learn which generation thermals M1 family uses.
DM53 has better penetration than M892A2, in fact it’s still underperforming.
You didn’t proved anything, 2A5 uses C tech hull armor while in game 2A4 uses B tech which has almost half of the protection.
Aiming close to driver port side doesn’t prove anything buddy, try harder.
Is this the way to say I’m clueless about German tanks?
Imagine Bein so arrogant about German tanks yet doesn’t even know the tech difference between them.
Even without Arrowhead 2A5 offers better turret protection, using X-ray values doesn’t prove anything due to different armor tech that is used on different Leopards.
For example Leopard2A7 uses D tech armor and achieves better hull protection than 2A5 while using same size.
M1A1 is essentially IPM1 with 120MM gun.
Slightly worse?
Even Al-Khalid can lol Pen M1A1’s turret while can’t do the same thing to M1A2, how ignorant you are.
Their difference is so marginal you can’t even notice it.
It seems all your claims based on nothing, thanks for proving again how clueless you are.
Yeah I got it mixed up due to not explicitly using thermals all the time.
Also due to having the sep in the same lineup. My bad.
Ariete?
Merkava?
Cr2 E?
ZTZ99A , WZ1001 all worse than the M1A2 some gen 2 thermals doesn’t redeem all the flaws in other areas.
Eh alright?
DM53 out of an L/55 not out the L/44 caliber gun, even the Leopard users know the difference.
If M829A2 was fired out an L/55 caliber gun it would in fact have higher penetration.
@AlvisWisla can break that down further if you’d like lol.
what are you on about ? xD you can pen the 2A7 with L23 in that spot.
Again, the game shows it as being the same, without deep diving into the game files as far as I’m aware they show the same hull armours.
the Arrowhead brings the M1A2 and 2A5 to be roughly on par turret armour wise, the spall liner puts the 2a5 slightly above it.
Without arrow head it’s objectively worse armour wise as it’s flatter. Hence why they use the damn arrowhead
I’m talking about what we see in game on the stat cards mate.
@dotSHINI informed me of the various armour values a year or so ago as even 2A7 lacks its correct armoru values.
In game the 2a5 hull is essentially a slightly upgraded 2a4 hull that will be one tapped regardless of where it is shot.
It’s literally got worse turret armour as per the wiki states. the M1A1 has better additional composites in the turret giving it more turret protection.
as was proven to me a few months back I believe, most abrams turrets can be lol penned through the right hand side clearly into the commander and gunner from most darts.
just like the 2a5 hull ?
Rules for thee not for me mentality.
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My brother in Christ none of them deserve the same br as Strv122 nor 2A7 but at least some of them got better aspects than M1A2.
Arrowhead puts massive armor difference between them, Even without arrowheads you can’t penetrate 2A5’s turret due to having D tech armor.
Not just right side entire turret of M1A1 can be lolpenned by Al-Khalid, in fact when I see IPM1 or M1A1 I just shoot their turret.
2A5 hull offers 440-460mm protection against KE, Abrams only achieves 350 at best.
Fancy words doesn’t change the fact how clueless you are.
Confusing Denmark leopards with Norway doesn’t equal to having not a single idea about German Tanks.
Try harder buddy.
What is going on in this comment section?
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Discussion about why M1A1 shouldn’t be 11.7
In a VT5 comment section?
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Yeah pretty pointless.
M1A1 is lower BR because the turred is alot weaker then M1A2 or HC (which includes click bait M1A1 HC)
And one of the reasons they sit all lower is because the 120mm used to have a longer reload, which they changed a while back now (end 2023). For the same reason the IPC is at the same BR, as it used to have better reload thanks to the 105mm.
And they basically never touched them or increased the BR cause USA toptier used to have around 40% winrate, the lowest of all Nations if you ignore mid BR germany.
Currently they are only second worst winrate Nation at 12.0… only russia gets slapped more due to people only play russia to go CAS.