Squadron Vehicles: VT5

[J-16D_PLA]

Lmao

[An_Pigeon]

@Rinhord

And they basically never touched them or increased the BR cause USA toptier used to have around 40% winrate, the lowest of all Nations if you ignore mid BR germany.

Currently they are only second worst winrate Nation at 12.0

There lies the issue.
They are balancing off of player metrics opposed to actual vehicle statistics.
Funny how when a US team doesn’t just ODL it will usually stomp the enemy team rather easily.

@Rinhord

M1A1 is lower BR because the turred is alot weaker then M1A2 or HC (which includes click bait M1A1 HC)

All of which should be 12.0 respectively.
M1A1 is better than the majority of 11.7s and even minor nation 12.0s like the ariete and challangers.

As well as tbis the IPM1 as you say used to be a sidegrade as it was faster loading and more mobile due to being lighter.

However now the M1a1 has the same 5 second reload it should of moved up.

[Rinhord]

They always have. They even had different BRs once for the M48 USA vs Germany while being the excakt same vehicle. Theres a Homepage post even about this excakt topic years old.

And stat wise…
KD Scoreboard M1A1:
11.3 - Place 6 (out of 16 and 4 Nations not having a 11.3)
11.3 + 11.7 - Place 18 (out of 52)
11.3 + 11.7 + 12.0 - Place 51 (out of 103)

Oh and to be back on the topic,VT5 is ls second last place of 11.3 and place 36 (out of 52) for 11.3 + 11.7

And if stuff should go up in BR or not… well… if u ask me, we shoul have br 20.0 already to finally get rid of the really intense BR compression + special MM for some vehicles to balance them out (like in wot where some tanks have ±1 instead of ±2) and all AA should go atleast 2 BRs lower, as CAS is way to strong on all BRs, or make the to strong CAS less capable, as it used to be.

Oh and while i am at it… make a tank only mode and ADD it to the game. Leave Combined as it is but make finally a tank only mode!

[ReTea45a]

@Rinhord

first of all, M1A1 will only have 5sec reload when you have Ace Crew and thats not so easy to get. Barely anyone has that and with a injured/dead loader it takes alot longer aswell.
Also M1A1 has first Gen Thermals, and gaijin is known to BR stuff up the better the Thermal is. And Its a Med, having no Scout ability and no LWS.

Well yes, its a mbt with speed and armour, it was only mentioned as an example showing that other vehicles at the br have more pen. (491mm is good, not impressive)

My main argument was between the cv90120/cv90105 and the vt5

@Rinhord

CV 90120 is a papertank, thats the absolute papertank that will not survive any hit by anything. Also its a br higher already. So what is it u try to tell with that? That VT5 should go 11.7?

I have no clue how you could reason i meant that.

@Rinhord

VT5 has everthing you want of an Light tank, only gun depression could be better.
You have nice Gen2 Thermals (i think its gen2, but its not useless gen1 atleast)
You have nice pen
You have LWS
You have very good mobility
You have a autoloader that is fast and makes you keep reloading fast even after you got hit and survived evventually
You have some armor, enough to not get killed by a random 12.7 from the guy you just disabelt but has still a 12.7 that he can use
You have a smoke generator that u can use to kill stuff as you can see through with your thermals (what many people are never use cause they are stupid)
You have HE-VT that are super usefull against helis and crap

Please, if you want a useful discussion, you could have said something like “Vt5 has … … stuff that makes it better, therefore I don’t think comparing it to a cv90 is correct”

I simply dont see a reason to list common things between the vt 5 and the cv90120, it’s the difference between vehicles that is the main focus.

Almost everything on that list the cv90120 has aswell, its why im comparing them.

My argument is that the cv90120 has almost identical utility and platform performance to the vt5, but the 109mm pen difference should equal 0.7 br difference between the vehicles, not a 0.3 br difference it is today.

Then I referred to the cv90105 that is a whole 1.0 br under the vt5, and I do still think the platform performance is similar to the vt5, but the pen difference is only 70mm.

Therefore “1.0 br for a 70 mm increase but a 0.3 br for a 109 mm increase”

Based on your response, I am guessing you think the armor difference, proxy, and engine smokes are the reason why it’s only a 0.3 br difference? ( I honestly am not sure due to the quality of the response )

If so, I disagree with that

@Rinhord

And u tell me it should go lower br to 11.0 fighting poor 10.0? wtf

This is the most faulty logic i have ever seen. Exstreme compression is the fault of the game, and almost every vehicle will suffer in a max uptier and be op in a max downtier

Usually people only refer to the max downtier issue when it comes to spaa, or all aspect high g missiles, where it is valid. (because the vehicle has a mechanic unique to itself where lower br’s are unable to resist.)

[J-16D_PLA]

@Rinhord

what many people are never use cause they are stupid

That’s not true. Almost everyone I know uses them. I don’t think there are anyone that don’t know how to use thermals

[J-16D_PLA]

When did this conversation include first gen thermals?

[Rinhord]

@J-16D_PLA@psn

You have a smoke generator that u can use to kill stuff as you can see through with your thermals (what many people are never use cause they are stupid)

wups, mismatched the topics.

But Buttsmoke and Thermals, dont tell me many use it. Other then me, there is maybe 1 instance where i saw someone used it. Many dont even know.

[Panther2995]

@Rinhord

First gen thermals are shit

Unless you’re playing on laptop they are more than enough to do the job.

[J-16D_PLA]

There’s just no way. It’s literally the most obvious features

[Rinhord]

As obvious as killing helis with uav? Or that the first bullet of a belt dictates the whole belt buölet velocity? Or that you can move your gun on target from binos? Or that you can use cruise assistant do get smooth corners easier and faster? Or that u can bind left and right brakes tona key to do some corner grinds? Or that u can block or unblock the gun vertical aiming when hitting the brackes or or…

[J-16D_PLA]

It’s more obvious than any of those things. Anyone with a brain knows how to use it

[Rinhord]

Tell that the “people with brain” rocking less then 50% winrate, or the onespawn brains, or the “i love my FF Heli/Plane”

U want to talk about the brains of the players? Most dont use it.

Should be obvious that being below 50%, doing one spawns, or troll with FF crap from afar is actively reducing the fun for everyone in the whole battle.
But do you think “these brains” give a crap?

[J-16D_PLA]

I think you’re severely underestimating the intelligence of the player base

[Hylian_Knights]

This discussion has gotten a bit off topic. Please take personal arguments, or discussion of different topics to PM.

[jeffery_frederic]

Can add new apfsds to VT5？the DTW2-105 in 11.7 is terrible.

[141_allen]

It’s fine. Armour is what is needed terribly.

[Miraz05]

Wrong. Bangladeshi one gets additional composite armor over this turret. So it should be able to withstand 100mm AP with ease.

[Clap6005-live]

You’re more than welcome to provide some.e from of evidence of the extra armor.

But my point still stands his claims are on a different model and aren’t applicable to a VT5 which looks completely different

[J-16D_PLA]

Are you trolling lol

[Clap6005-live]

These two very clearly have different armor configurations. But im not going Argue or discuss this with you, you have your own agenda and you refuse to believe anything else. So dont bother replying to me