SPz 11-2 Kurz: "The HS 30's little cousin, the Wiesel's buff uncle..."

[slowmo21too]

SPz 11-2 Kurz: “The HS 30’s little cousin, the Wiesel’s buff uncle…”

(Polls are at the Bottom)

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Overview

Hello Fellows!

I want today to suggest a interesting german vehicle, as we have the Spz. 12-3 in game, but we don’t have its little brother, the predecessor to the Wiesel, the 11-2! A simple machine with a 20mm Autocannon, It would be a fun historical addition to the game!

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Basic Information

Designation: Schützenpanzer SPz 11-2 Kurz

Role: Infantry Fighting Vehicle, Reconnaissance Vehicle

Crew: 4

• Driver

• Gunner

• Commander

• Radio Operator

Designer: Hotchkiss et Cie

Manufacturer: Hotchkiss et Cie & Klöckner-Humboldt-Deutz

Number Built: 2,374

Designed: 1950 – 1956

Produced: 1959 – 1967

Years of Service: 1959 – 1987

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Specifications

Dimensions:

• Length: 4.51 m (14 ft 5 in)

• Width: 2.28 m (7 ft 6 in)

• Height: 1.97 m (6 ft 6 in)

Driving Performance:

• Engine: 1x Hotchkiss et Cie 6-cylinder petrol engine

  • 164 hp (122kW)

• Maximum Speed: 58 km/h (36mph)

• Maximum Range: 390 km (244 mi)

• Gross Weight: 8,200 kg (18,100 lbs)

Armament:

• Main Armament: 1x 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS.820/L85 Autocannon

  • 500 Total Rounds

    • 180 Standard Rounds (Per Belt)

    • 18 Armor-Peircing Rounds (3x 6-Round Magazines)

Additional Equippment:

• Smoke Grenades: 6x Smoke Grenade Launchers (on turret)

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Usage In Battles

The Spz 11-2 would be a half-decent platform to play in-game, playing mainly as a slightly larger Wiesel, most effective against light-skinned vehicles and aircraft. Its speed would be a definite advantage, but its abysmal reverse requires careful planning and skill for a successful flank.

Pros:

• Great Top Speed

• Rapid Autocannon

Cons:

• Light Armor

• Poor Reverse Speed

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History

In August 1950, the French General Staff Commision ordereded Hotchkiss to develop a light armored tracked platform, of which two variants to be made: one to be a supply carrier, the other an APC. Hotchkiss would deliver the two prototypes by June 1953, later seeing the delivery of 3 more, where they would be tested in various environments, including the Alps and North Africa. Seeing successful testing, an order for 50 preproduction vehicles would be made, and following their delivery would see further testing through winter of 1955 and early 1956. Satisfied with the vehicle, the French army would prepare an order of production vehicles, however it would never be officially requested with the outbreak of the Algerian War.

On November 7, a delegation from the German Ministry of Defense would examine the pre-production vehicles. Pleased with their preformance, they would place an order for 5 mockup vehicles and 2 new prototypes built to German specifications, seeing a lengthened hull. Meeting satisfactory requirements, the German MoD would place an order for 1,975 vehicles on August 30, 1956, initially designated the “Schützenpanzer Spz 42-1”.

Initially unarmed, some platforms of the Schützenpanzer Spz 42-1 would be fitted with a 20mm autocannon turret, redesignated the Spz 11-2, and be given to the cannon platoons of the Panzergrenadiers as an IFV, serving until 1974, where it be shifted to a vehicle for scouting and reconnaissance missions.

The Spz 11-2 would be noted as struggling in its role as a scouting vehicle and as a platform as a whole, struggling with a poor reverse speed of only 6 km/h; having a loud engine; its roadwheel arms were prone to breaking; its 20mm turret was cramped and made it difficult to reload; and its electrical system was poorly designed and underpowered. From this, troops would give the 11-2 the nickname: the “Combat Wheelchair”.

Despite issues, it would continue to serve until 1982, when it would be replaced by the Spähpanzer Luchs. Following its replacement, most would be scrapped, and a handful survive today in public and private collections, some in running condition.

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Photo Gallery

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Technical Drawings, Models, & Data

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Sources

Schützenpanzer SPz 11-2 Kurz - Wikipedia

Schützenpanzer kurz – Wikipedia

Schutzenpanzer Kurz 11-2 (1958)

Schutzenpanzer SPz 11-2 Kurz Tracked Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle (ARV)

Schutzenpanzer SPz 11-2 Kurz: Photos, History, Specification

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• Again… No.

[Armen_Lozone]

So cute.
Unlike Wiesel, it has smoke grenades!!
Just in time too.
SPz 1C just got accepted yesterday lol

[WalletWorrier]

Ammunition isn’t correct… 180 and 18 don’t make 500 lol. On that note…
Where’s the information about the armour? Where’s information about the mobility? Why are the BRs so bloody high? Is this what passes as a suggestion these days?

[gfdsa_killer]

Its like seeing a guy wearin his grandfather skull as a mask (panzer 2), ready to commit crimes against humanity

[slowmo21too]

Well the principle is that the total ammunition carrying capacity of the Kurz was 500 rounds, and the belts carried were 180 rounds each, so they carried multiple belts & magazines.

P.S: Sorry if the suggestion isn’t up to your expectation, @Armen_Lozone’s suggestion for the SPz 1C is phenomenal, filled with the rich history of the vehicle, and primary/paper resources to back up his information. I unfortunately don’t have such access, I did what I could, and wrote in my format. As for the BRs, wide spread to ensure a fair depiction of opinion. As such, most votes fall roughly in the middle, where it was expected anyway.

Thanks!

[Armen_Lozone]

It’s not a problem in my eyes.

Everyone has their own style and flavour of making suggestions.
You wrote the history too.
(No dodging around the fact that it won’t matter to gaijin 😭)
As for small typos and miscountings, you won’t imagine how often they happen haha.
Only advice is to move the history section to the top ig.

@WalletWorrier cut the guy some slack lol. In his defense, armour values and data (especially in detail) take a lot of time to research, and many times, it’s not even important when it comes to such light vehicles.

[Der_Preusse]

Why so high BR´s for that tinfoil 20mm ? This shouldn´t be higher then the R20 or the U-SH 204 GK.

[Armen_Lozone]

those options exist so users can see who on the forum has braincells 😋

[Der_Preusse]

Please enlighten me, so that the users on the forum can see or braincells at work.

[Armen_Lozone]

those who select a silly option can be seen lol

[WalletWorrier]

Yeah even the lowest BR option is the same as the AMX-10P which is just better in every single metric

[Tannuva_0]

I submitted a suggestion for this tank a month ago because there was no suggestion about it and i got a email saying it got verified but i couldnt find until i stumbled upon this post, at least im glad there’s an existing suggestion for this rat fella