SPYDER - General Discussion

So another day passes with no fixes for any current new SPAA (especially the spyder and tan Sam kai and elde 98) but we will get pantsir buffs before anything. Kh38 buffs (all variants have their speed increased so aps can’t intercept. missile doesn’t even exist keep in mind) and fully working arena aps system for Russia. When we have had a broken trophy aps for 9 months now? I mean people can say whatever but the amount of neglect other nations are getting with the current problems at hand is just amazing at this point. I watched live in a abrams turret thread people showing legit evidence to moderators just for them to ghost them now with no replies. That Feels like every thread now, unless it’s Russian gets thrown in the shadow realm. I’m not claiming bias anymore. I’m claiming the amount of ignorance the community is given is unbelievable. The fact we as a community keep their game alive yet we are ignored with everything till the fire starts rising, only then do they change things to what the community wants. Spookston made a great example of that with the hstvl changes

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When was the FakeH38 speed increased? And to what extent I don’t recall this change

In the dev server if I’m correct. And it got increased from 1000 to 1500. So now it will bypass any aps other than iron fist now

Was made from a bug report originally

As far as I’m aware obviously subjective the only changes made to KH38 series were GPS guidance and adding a speed limit to their launch (which ofc does nothing to them since most planes won’t be moving at 1.5M anyway on a ground match) if their speed had been increased there would’ve been a big stink about it. It’s already the fastest AGM on any plane in the game at 2.2M. may as well give NATO things like RAMPAGE to compensate.

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I don’t play Russian cas as I despise it, so therefore it may have been reverted. But I do very well recall they had increased its speed to bypass all aps but only iron fist was able to stop it. They very well could have not made it official in game. Which I pray they don’t. But point still stands that missile was never real to begin with so the buffs it’s getting now is pretty hilarious. But we need official documents on real things and we give them that and still we get turned down

I agree it’s BS that the fake missile gets buffed left and right but so far the KH38 is as it always has been in terms of speed. All that said if they fixed AAs like SPYDER it wouldn’t be nearly as bad as we could simply intercept the threat before it becomes an issue. (Unless they ride the ground and do something similar to what I do with dumb bombs at high tier but that is far from reliable) notice I said Fixed not Buffed. As much as I would love to have Python MR and I-DERBY-ER if they just fix what we have in game right now we wouldn’t have need of them

The KH-38ML is very much a real missile and the speed on the KH-38 hasn’t been changed, only the allowed speed of the aircraft before launching the missile. Before you could launch them at Mach 2 or whatever speed you wanted, now the max launch speed is Mach 1.5

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Only thing that changed was allowed launch speed. Actual flight model of the missile didn’t, then whatever statcard says isn’t worth the ink to be printed with.

Then I rest my case. But Kh38mt is not a real missile. And it gets buffs based on concepts that were never built other than on a wooden mock-up. Other nations don’t get the same treatment when showing official real documentation.

It doesn’t get buff based on any concept, the only “unreal” part about it is the seeker, which there is a mockup with an ir seeker. Every other buff it got is because the missile is 95% KH-38ML.

Yes we have designated already that it’s based off an already existing platform. But its characteristics are not necessarily realistic considering it’s never been operational in reality and never went past just a mock up. That is the point. Nobody else at top tiers can push for already unclassified info for certain ground vehicles or air and get them passed as frequently as the buffs that are passed onto Russian things. Since any of the new SPAA have come out I haven’t seen them fix anything majorly other than just adding unnecessary necessities for their beloved pantsir. When will the long lasting problems for other nations be finally addressed?

Most recent abrams turret thread is an example of being banished into gaijins shadow realm

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Honestly I feel gaijin should invest into making dedicated teams/moderators for every nation. That way not all the time everyone is left out for so many updates (poor Italy still doesn’t even have a decent top tier aa from this update which is wild)

The only characteristic that would be unknown is the IR seeker. AASM-250, KH-38MT, SPICE and PGM IR all should have the same IR seeker performance ingame. Rafale got more buffs than anything at toptier did. They just aren’t bothering to do anything about anti-airs this update because they are afraid of them being too powerful now.

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However, they do ignore Israel in War Thunder and half ass their additions.

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I have a feeling it’s already like that

Honestly they probably do. And btw one of your suggestions got passed 🙏

I saw :D

And yeah they likely have teams for that stuff, at least I would hope so

In the meantime I will wait and suffer with my spyder and yell at the snail to fix my p5 wobble. ( I also saw that they are passing a cromwell for Israel to the devs, could be possible that this encourages some more sub TT for us Israel mains) @Chilean_Thunder im surprised none of your suggestions have gotten passed yet for sub TT. I will continue to wait and pray

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