For now we should focus on getting SPYDER fixed. Fix the radar and the missiles. That’s all we ask. Ample evidence has been supplied so now we just need to keep reminding them until they get tired of hearing us
You mean like the 7 months of the APS on the Merkava 4 being broken? Or the bomber cockpits they promised us 7ish years ago…
Gaijin will Gaijin, they will do it or not do it as they feel like it though
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Ill admit the odds aren’t great historically speaking. But doing nothing is a perfect way to ensure nothing gets done
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Singapore goes by the effective range against a maneuvering craft
120 (and soon (150+) is basically the max ballistic range)
I get that too, but it’s only because the enemies ignore me. Like being tracked by a radar missile and still flying in a straight line.
When they try to evade, even a Strike UCAV like Orion or Wing Loong can dodge my Derby at 11km+.
It’s really down to the stupidity of the enemy and any enemy that acknowledges “oh, there is a Spyder, I need to take care of that” will kill you, or do whatever they want to do without a problem.
Getting a great KDR but with most of the kills being Strike UCAVs, Su25 (which are 0.7-1.7 BR below you) and Ka-50 doesn’t really mean anything other than confirming that it is at least slightly better than a Chaparral.
I play Su30 and Rafale a lot and both of them have no problem not even with IRIS-T. They just need to play a bit less aggressive, focused on keeping distance and/or staying low, and of course not flying in a straight line for prolonged periods. I mean even a Spike gets air kills when a Su or A10 mastered the skill of flying in a perfectly straight line.
They need to
- fix the radar
- fix the datalink, ARH start, etc.
- make the python avoid flares as to be expected from its seeker
- give it the Derby ER so that at least strike UCAVs are a guaranteed kill (for anyone else they will anyways be a threat way below the IRIS-T because they can notch or use ground clutter).
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Also immunity againat dircm more range to p5 and derby(no need for er if they fix it)
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Yeah I js carry 2 DRB and 6 P5s. Works sometimes, Im in a match right now and I got a kill w/ the Derby (Was a brain dead Typhon at 5 km lol) but yeah its BS, the IRIS-T SLM is hitting targets 20-30km away while we can’t hit more than 7 consistently
It just wont be compeitive. Fine? sure, it’ll work for a SPAA. It wont be competitive w/ a max of 15km range, the Pantsir outdoes the Range of 15km and its been in the game for how long? its all down to we get the short end of every stick known to Gajian and the Big 3 get the whole stick.
20 30 km is a big strech tbh
I have the slm and sure it has it moments but the irist still doing some stupid unnececery lofts and it missing target (still better then p5 ofc)
Pantair on the other hand is even better now cuz u can do the lead mode and fire from the radar screen which makes it like a full radar guided missile and ofc u can fire 4 at the same time
Not really, if you go to 12.0 you’ll get 20km kills regularly, for 12.0 it’s quite op, best kill was shot at 30km and killed at 24km.
It still has issues but it’s miles better than Spyder, and i think the issues that plague the SLM also affects the Spyder anyway.
Also i really don’t get why they didn’t give Derby ER, it would still be worse than the SLM so the fact they left it with normal Derby is mind boggling.
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I will test it cuz i only played few games with the slm but i did noticed that for close targets the auto pilot does weird stuff
We found it was able to hit a target at ranges of over 25km
Testing paramaters:
Map:
[Battle] Sands Of Sinai
Day, Clear
Targets:
F-16D
Payload
x2 9m Sidewinder
x2 Derby Air-to-Air Missiles
x4 Spice 1000 Guided Bombs
x1 Fuel Tank
30% Fuel- 11:00 Minutes of fuel
Spice 1000 Guided Bombs
Parameters
Launch 15km
Speed: 0.98
Height: 7km
What transpired:
Upon Release of the Spice 1K bombs the F-16D went Cold at a 100 Degree angle. The IRIS-T SLM engaged upon the Spice 1K bombs and intercepted without issue. Upon reaching a range of 30km the F-16D turned hot and climbed to an altitude of 10KM Radar Alt. The IRIS-T SLM launched upon the F-16D at a range of 28km W/ a Closure rate of 600m/s. The F-16D went into a notch while dropping Chaff and Flare. Upon reaching an altitude of 8km the F-16D turned to climb up and went back hot. At a range of 24.6km the IRIS-T SL hit the F-16D and destroyed the aircraft.
Summary: F-16D was unable to Destroy IRIS-T SLM SPAA w/ Spice 1000 Guided bombs. The IRIS-T was able to intercept both the F-16D and the Spice 1000s at ranges exceeding 20km with enough speed to intercept ranges exceeding 25km to 30km upon launch conditions.
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How goes the various bug reports. Are we still being ignored?
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accepted doesnt really mean anything but;
report about the python wiggle has been accepted
report about the missing smokeless motor has been accepted
report about faulty radar had its accepted label removed
no progress about any of the TopLite tracking and stabilizing feature
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also fix the speed and turning of the P5s
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Its a start at least. What about the Derby not going pitbull?
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It’s not even confirmed which SPYDER it will be, and plan cancellations are very common
Besides, Italy can just get other systems
Ill have to find the article i read but it’s supposed to be AiO
The only thing pointing that they will get the AIO is when it was showcased as a model during 2024 in Romania. It could be the AIO, but I ain’t sure, as other blogs just say its a SPYDER without mentioning the specific variant when the model was shown during 2024
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That is indeed the model of early AIO.
But what’s the big missile on the right?