So… the Tornado’s, Harrier Gr7’s ECM suit is somehow comparable to the ones of the 39E, F35 etc? I’m sorry to burst your bubble, but there has been innovation since the 80’s
Spear-3 has been test fired
This is more than enough for Gaijin to add it and is more evidence than the KH-38MT has. (SRAAMs for example were added purely based upon similar test firings. Bar soviet weapons, the standard is usually evidence the weapon was fully assembled and operational, ideally with evidence of being test fired at least once)
Though for some reason, despite being fine adding the Brimstone as SAL only. They refuse to even consider adding the Spear-3 as GPS+SAL only at this time… its wierd.
Spear-Glide have yet to be test fired though which is a shame.
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Your argument is that the Gripen E hasnt been added yet because it has an EW Suite.
So does the Tornado, Typhoon, Harrier, Rafale, F-15, F-16, Gripen C, etc etc.
Typhoon and Rafale probably have comprable EW suites to the Gripen NG anyway and they are already in game.
The more likely explanation for why Gripen E hasnt been added yet is either
A) They cant get AESA + Gimball to work correctly
or
B) They are for some reason waiting till Gen 5 IIR missiles.
There are dozens of examples of aircraft being added before certain equipment was later added to them. Like MAWS and Tpods. Even Fox-3s
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The data for the Kh-38MT is based on the data for the other Kh-38M variants. Wether it is real or not has nothing to do with this case.
The SRAAM (and other such cases) is something that never was finished. The specifications at the time of cancellation are treated as the final ones.
The SPEAR is in active development. Its final specifications aren’t yet know and could possibly change. The projected specifications don’t include integration for the Typhoon and wether test firings are enough to add a tested weapon to a specific plane is up to Gaijin.
When there already is a fully developed weapon that does the same job, the not yet fully developed weapon isn’t an option.
Yep, though if we apply that same logic. We can get Typhoon. The ground attack variant for the ASRAAM.
The ASRAAM exists. as does mockups of the Typhoon with Marketing materials.
So Mach4.5 50km AGMs anyone?
I think there is more than enough at this time. besides, they added the CR3TD. I think the Spear-3 would be far simpler. Especially as it has an identical seeker to the Brimstone 1 just with GNSS added on.
Yes it does. (at least im 90% sure it is planned)
The difference is. They wont add MMW Brismtones because “MMW doesnt exist in game” but they could at least add GNSS weapons similar to GBU-39s
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Claiming that the Gripen E’s EW suit is somehow comparable to way older planes (some 40+ years older) is, just straight up wrong.
They are not. The versions which are present in the game are earlier versions, which you can read up on more in the technical discussion. Once again, the Gripen E has just entered service, whereas these plane versions are way more than a decade old. Innovation exists, this is like claiming a Gripen A is the same as a gripen E, cause they are both gripens, even though they are separated by almost 40 years.
There’s a huge difference between a aircraft that’s technically able to use a weapon not getting it, and ripping out the main feature of a plane. The entire point of the Gripen E upgrade is to strengthen it’s ew suit and radar to fit a new age. It sounds like you are just asking for a reskinned 39C, or a reskinnes Finnish FA/18… There’s no point in adding a modern aircraft if you want everything that makes it modern removed, that’s why gaijin hasn’t bothered yet. Cause what you are asking for are the same capabilities that already exist in the Swedish tt. More missiles? FA/18, Gripen E, but with everything that makes it an E removed? Gripen C.
We can apply that logic for lots of ridiculous weapons, that doesn’t mean Gaijin is gonna add them.
The CR3TD is “a” final product, just not the final CR3.
I’m not aware of any official plan (I mean, they probably are going to end up doing it anyways, but still)
If there really is a need for a weapon that is similar to the SPEAR ingame, the Storm Shadow would do the job just as well, without having to add an unfinished weapon.
That’s a different topic
Then I guess we should delete the Rafale and Typhoon for having no EW suite?
Delete Brimstone for no MWW.
etc etc?
Your argument just makes 0 sense.
They have never ever not added something because a feature hadnt been added yet,
Heck Tornados spent 18 months with 56 CMs because they didnt have split CMs yet. Eventually they got 56 flares and 1200 chaff. Should they have waited instead?
SEAD.
It probably will be fitted to the FGR4, but almost certainly will be on the Germany EKs that are meant for SEAD and just like how they got PW4s from the FGR4, we can easily get Spear-3s from them
The Gripen E has other improvements than the EW stuff, even if they are minor in comparison.
Gaijin is gonna add it sooner than later just for those “minor” improvements.
If EW and ECM actually was important to Gaijin, we would still be using 1st, maybe 2nd gen jets
As much as you and a lot of others want to do proper SEAD, Gaijin hasn’t made any effort to making that a reality in GRB and SIM battles yet.
Maybe when their new World War mode with the Attack/Defense and dedicated SEAD modes come around, but even then there are fully developed SEAD weapons that can (and will) be added instead of the SPEAR
No, but im hoping the previous and current events would say otherwise, at least in some form.
Totally agree, but the thing is EW and ECM plays a way bigger role in modern planes than it did back then. Gaijin could get away with focusing on improvements on the airframes, like the F16 being better than the F4, etc. But the new modern fighters are made with new goals in mind. The F35 sacrifices top speed, agility etc to be a master in EW and Stealth. The Gripen E does a similar thing, barely any improvements to the actual airframe, but many to EW and ECM.
Same goes for the modern Rafale’s, Eurofighters etc. Since these planes are almost the exact same thing airframe wise as the earlier variants, we will either be stuck getting a gripen/rafale with better missiles, and no EW to fight against a stealthy F22, F35, SU57 etc, or they’ll start adding said features to the modern 4.5 gens. Most likely with nerfed stealth characteristics for the Stealth planes too… so sweden/france can play at toptier
I.e, it wasn’t important for gaijin before, but now it is
They are just gonna add the F-35 to every nation except for the USSR and maybe China.
The main advancements will be stealth and more advanced weapons.
As sad as it is to not have proper electronic warfare or even just slightly realistic ECM, it’s just how Gaijin operates currently.
Maybe they are gonna go back and work on ECM after they add F-35s with Meteors and IRIS-Ts or whatever end of the line/state of the art weapon each nation has lol
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Where’s the competent Chinese top tier fighter Jet? Where’s the Chinese multi vehicle SAM? Does the Chinese always have to wait two versions to catch up with the other TTs?
Fair point, could 100% see that happen. A shame each tech tree is becoming less and less unique for each day that passes
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Sweden and Japan are lacking a better SAM as well and their fighter situation is very similar.
It’s not just China
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Then that’s an even bigger problem, when are they gonna get stuff to fill the gaps? If it’s just the Chinese it might be discrimination, but if its for so many branches I can only assume it’s negligence.
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ALREADY??? I feel like i just downloaded tusk force!
The update cycle is the same every single year.
March, June, September, October and Decemeber.
Hasnt changed in years bar delays like last year where this update was nearly middle of November due to issues with DX12 and RTX additions.
Usually though, the October update is smaller than the other 4