Except they aren’t? Very clearly at least 4 functional examples exist.
Or how did they load CATMs onto them?
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Okay, then please post your evidence, that’s all I’m asking for lol
Spoiler
This famous photo of it which shows the ejector rack (amber rack) is solely for fitting tests and is non functional, as far as I know it never went past that and was never adopted by the U.S. Air Force.
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You’ve clearly seen the image.
Your understanding between a mockup and a functioning device is what’s clearly lacking
*Extremely loud incorrect buzzer 📢
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You’ve yet to show me any evidence, maybe a statement from someone or a picture of a fighter with it outside of that test.
Su-30SM and Su-35 were developed at the same time.
Both likely use an upgraded Su-30MKI avionics suite.
And until all the manuals are declassified and export unrestricted, there’s no other conclusion to come to.
The entire military aviation industry started using universal fire control systems in the late 1990s and early 2000s.
So proving Su-30s made from 2013 onward don’t use that type of standard is the active claim.
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Only 5 new French-made Ground/Air Vehicles added in 1 year (since the Storm Warning Update, Dec. 2024):
- 1 new plane (Rafale C F3)
- 4 new ground vehicles (Jaguar, SAMP/T, MSC, VBCI)
Those are great, but there’s only 5 of them, and only 1 per Major Release.
Not counting the copy/paste from Hornet’s Sting…
Underwhelming. 👎
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Not exacly, Su-30SM is in a straight line son of MKI with similar avionics etc but Su-35S was developd from T-10BM which was modernized T-10M. And jet looking into aircrafts EW suite, avionics and on board system Su-35S has many thing which Su-30SM lack. Like MAW, additional L-band AESA radars, N035 radar etc. They are from the same period of time but i strongly disagree if Su-30SM can use the same stuff like those R-77 double racks.
Actually, thank you for opposing me here.
After looking at the missiles that the Su-24M and Su-25T carry my point became pretty moot. I didn’t realise that even those already have TV guided missiles that would probably end up being better than the Kh-59.
yeah, just realised that
I guess other nations lacking similar weapons is the actual problem here, not the USSR tree getting a weapon that barely is an improvement (or rather sidegrade, depending on the platform) over what they have
Hawk two ass years late 😢
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Then find evidence.
Cause the engine distance myth was disproved countless times. Su-27 - Su-35 have the same exact engine distance from each other.
And Su-30SM and Su-35 share the same hardware on the center line.
So that leaves proving the Su-30SM is somehow using a fire control system with the limitations of a 1980s computer.
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… the Alpha Jet KWS
And Alpha Jet NGAE (this is the production MS2)
Unless your problem is that these were prototypes? But Britian is literally getting a prototype Hawk 200…
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There’s also a variant with a BMP-3 fitted and a bmp-2/2m turret
The Alpha Jet already was like four to five years late, so that would make the Hawk six to seven years late
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China and sweden are banned from having actually competent top tier aircraft
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About computer or weapon integration?
I didn’t denied it lol
They look the same on photos.
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Computer. Because R-77 is obviously integrated. So you have to prove that the amount of R-77s is not possible for the computer to handle.
Like how it was proven that F-1C’s fire control computer cannot understand 5 IR missiles.
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Both of us can’t proof it because of lacking in information. For now i will stay with claim that without any photo we can’t examin if Su-30SM is able to take them.
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It’s that I have a problem with them being prototypes, it’s that Gaijin probably has one with that.
The Hawk 200 is the demonstrator, it was finished, it was armed and it could actually fly.
Now, I don’t know anything about how far the NGAE got, but the Alpha Jet KWS never went anywhere beyond planning
Edit: I just realised that Alpha Jet 3 was the french project that never got anywhere.
Alpha Jet 2 is what NGAE was and MS2 is further modified, so if they ever slapped Magic IIs on the MS2, I guess that’s an option. Probably an 11.0 kind of option, but an option lol
F-18C MLU, JAS-39C/A, Mirage 2000-5Ei, J-10A and J-11B in question?