so basicly i suggest gaijin to balance all SPAAs and do something with fact that Russia has best anti air and best CAS
Pantsir is best SPAA since it was added and it is just a big balance breaker no SPAA is better than pantsir none is even close to be better
for example flarakrad and ITO are close to it in br but they are much worse no canon and worse missles worse range worse radar and no cannon
also new HQ17 is better than flarakrad maybe it has less g but better range, better radar, no need to reload every to shoots, also his missiles are better to guide
same goes for flarakpanzer and every user of roland 3, OSA it at same br but much better at every aspect but ammo, it jus has less ammo, OSA has better zoom and better missiles much better like more g range and they are much easier to guide, also much harder to guide
if you spin then missiles like VT1 and roland 3 are gonna miss but even OSA at 10.3 does’t have that problem
like what is flarakpz doing 0.4 br lower than 2s6 which has better radar better missles better range more g harder to dodge, smokeless after 2 sec or something like this and most important no need to reload after every 2 shoots and it has guns
overall spining in circels does not affect russian SPAAs
2s6 should be moved to 11.7
tor should be moved to 11.7/11.3
HQ17 should be moved to 12.0
panstir should be replaced with something or other nations should get also SPAAs that have same range and pantisr because as for now flarakrad etc etc can’t kill CAS because current CAS can kill you form 15km or more which is good for pantsir but not for others
flarakrad should go to 11.3
OSA should go to 11.0
flarakpanzer should be moved to 10.0
think about it just go check in game and look at their statistics they are so unbalanced ( mainly pantsir )
Agreed, fighting these things at the moment in GSB and I just dont understand how they are so low in BR. Should be the same BR as the ADATS
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Is this a German main joke?
I do agree Tor-M1 and HQ-17 should move up 0.3 each, but there is a reason they are low in BR in the first place. Namely, it is almost entirely useless at close range against planes. The missile is also very slow to intercept.
Also suggesting 2S6 be 11.7 while Flkrkrad (stroke) be 11.3 is positively insane
It’s because the missiles lose energy pretty quickly as soon as the engine burns out. Which is very fast. The performance sucks in comparison to something like an ADATs.
In the GSB matches im playing, im being hit at ranges that I doubt the ADATS would even get a radar lock at. 2S6 really has only 7-8km range?
USA need Patriot
Yep, 15k ft and about 8km of lateral range was not enough distance to protect me from a 2S6 and spamming flares and chaff did nothing either. That means the 2S6 definetly outranges the ADATS
2s6 need up br 11.7
Yea that seems fair
you’re not slipping in making a german SPAA lower when all its worse counterparts are going up.
You are a german main so I expect no less but that was just blatant
Probably a holdover from when the missile was quite bad(tho I don’t know what its current state is like), however they conveniently nerfed it right before the pantsir was added.
Convient that enver happens with any other nation
Give Russia the S-400 then. Careful what you wish for.
bBb-buuutT tHe PaNtSiR!1!1
The 2s6 missile is a shambles of a missile man, its incredibly easy to dodge… I hate russian SPAA, but the 2s6 just aint it man.
in GSB its still got massive smoke trails behind it, the strela is a far, far worse threat than the 2S6 and is a lower BR than it.
mans made himself clear as day with that one isnt it xD move the flarakpanzer to 10.0 and all the rollands go too. and all the stinger launchers would need to move down to compensate.
This is a sim issue, mostly. Even then, it is still one of the least threatening SAMs.
It is a bit worse than the ADATS, in my experience. I’m not a fan of the ADATS, generally do shit with the ADATS. I prefer the tunguska, but it definitely isn’t more effective (pretty sure most of my kills with tunguska are the cannons). Now, the one that should go up is the Strela. That thing is an abomination both to use and deal with.
am i the only one that sits here thinking the adats is the only one that has anti tank missiles rather than anti air missiles
im pretty sure a pansir isnt gonna frontally obliterate a t80bvm or a abrams with its rockets, it has apds rounds for its gun that can penn basicly any side armor in the game making it more of a tank destroyer that can also do some anti air
How about we get new spaa added and make spaa stronger rather than nerfing them.
I’ve used it very recently and it has good performance if you’re shooting something that’s <4km away.
If you’re targeting something further away missile starts having a mind of it’s own, so hitting anything that isn’t actively trying to headbutt a missile becomes really hard.
I had strike drones dodging the missile from 8-9km out.
If you’re after 4-5km+ shots, I believe Osa is on-par or even better as it’s motor burns for a much longer time.
Thing is, they are fine where they are IF they were modelled correctly.
Currently, Gaijin has intentionally crippled them because they and all other Roland Systems are supposed to have automatic missile guidance. CLOS, instead, we get SACLOS in War Thunder, severely nerfing the already poor SPAA. To add to that, the missile motors produce too much smoke and are too visible.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/srVDgp1aBFSB
Well, currently VT1 is seriously weakened in the game compared to what they can do in reality - 35G at 8km and 15km effective interception range.