haha :D yea, one thing is certain - it’s only a boost to the people in love with the air mode. Everyone else suffer.
Yea, some BRs are borderline unplayable. And believe me - playing non-Russian makes things only worse.
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Im not normally one for reverting changes entirely, id normally want things fixed/improved, but this is definitely one of the occasions I’d prefer the changes to be completely reverted and for the physics to be revised completely and thoroughly tested before being implemented again, the changes are extremely negative for gameplay especially at top tier where its extremely important to have capable spaa systems to combat the extremely capable CAS vehicles available, most can singlehandedly turn the tide of a battle, if multiple go unchallenged like they are currently there’s literally no point in spawning a second time.
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The change to the SAM missiles made higher tier/top tier SPAA useless.
The changes were rolled out to the VT-1 before everything else, but people didn’t protest the changes enough to make themselves heard. However, people were hppy to take the ASRAD into top tier battles and downgrade the FlaRakRad to Roland 3 and keep going.
Now the changes were rolled out to the rest of the SPAAs and now suddenly people realise that the change is complete and utter crap, that CAS has now a free reign above 10.0 unless you run into a Stinger or similar. Tough luck if you’re being bombed by laser guided ammo or a drone, because your missiles are either useless or don’t have the range.
I just wish people would have woken up a few weeks ago when the VT-1 was nerfed.
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This is why I’ve opened this discussion to gather overall feedback from people on the changes, currently on reddit people hate the changes, thought I’d see what everyone’s feelings were on official forums. Currently it’s not looking good.
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I was maining the XM975 to get to the ADATS last patch and I am currently 156,000 RP away from getting it. I logged in for the first time with these changes and I could not hit anything that isn’t stationary (and even that was iffy) with the Roland 3s. These are NOT realistic at all. Warthunder’s wiki now says all Rolands are SACLOS (Roland SAM - War Thunder Wiki), which is technically correct for the Roland 1 because the gunner needs to manually aim it. The Roland 2s, 3s, and VT1s (Which are just hypersonic Roland 3s) are not SACLOS as they receive guidance directly from the tracking radar. Seriously a quick google search of “MIM-115 Roland” yields all of this information.
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The changes have been made to make it more “realistic”.
God knows what that means, but realism and balance do not always go together and that was a point I raised in the old forum. I assume that the Roland 3s and VT-1s were performing too well against CAS and just bringing them to10.3 and therefore ruining the whole 10.0 lineup wasn’t enough. So we had to have another nerf, just this time they overdone it.
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I don’t know about other but Roland 2 definitely had an optional manual guidance, and that’s the only mode they selected for development in the game.
Also: this thread is not about which guidance method did Gaijin select for the missile, but do you like the current implementation of the Missile physics:
I agree, I’m yet to find someone who is happy with the changes who isn’t a cas main happy to take full advantage of the changes, a quick look on reddit and you’ll see hundreds of dissatisfied players sharing similar opinions along with videos showcasing the issues.
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A lot of people don’t like playing SPAA and it will take time for everyone to realise how bad these changes are for the balance.
To be fair, the balance in higher/top tier is now a complete screw up.
You get CAS that can laser guide bombs from low orbit, Helicopters that shoot from over 6km away with Gen 2 thermals and strike drones that will hit on nations that don’t have a counter at 10.0/10.3 BR.
All while the Russians and Chinese have the only functional SAM at 11.7 now.
The CV series from Sweden doesn’t get the Air tracking and neither does the Begleitpanzer. Japan’s AA is a cruel joke and the German FlaRakPanzer1 at 10.3 doesn’t even get NVD…
The balance has shifted massively in favor of CAS…
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It has always been in cas favour, the only thing that changed that was the pantsir being extremely affective at long range.
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Pretty much showcases how much cas spam there is at those BRs and how much of a necessity it is to have spaa systems that are actually capable of actually countering the problem.
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Beside SAM only, there seems to be a general problem with Missile guidance, which in return can also explain some of the weird behaviour seen on the SAMs:
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So going back to our conversation.
Today I tried the ADATS and the xm975 in test drive. I have not played the xm975 for a long time since I’ve had the ADATS.
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The xm975 has a ridiculous amount of smoke and makes it almost impossible to see and guide. Wtf are they thinking in development? The missile guidance is difficult because one little movement sends it too far in the direction you swing it. Making it almost impossible to get back to target. And that’s with slow flying planes in test drive, not fast jets in game with real players making maneuvers. It’s bad enough it doesn’t have thermals, now you cannot even see because of the smoke trail blocking the view of the missile. Ridiculous.
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Regarding the ADATS :
Since the update the other day, and since I made my
comments - it appears some small change has been made to the missile flight pattern. At the very start of the launch leaving the vehicle now, it is flying straighter instead of curving all over the place and into the ground or sideways. Although it still has issues further away after it launches. It still curves around in a circular pattern and can be hard to guide. Again, it’s SPAA but also anti-TANK and should be in a straight line to be accurate. I’ve still had instances where I’m aiming right at a tank and right before hitting it just curves right over top of the tank. And you have to really work at controlling it with the curving to hit a heli etc.
Also something I noticed is that the missiles are invisible when they launch most of the time, I can’t even see them launch I only hear the noise. But also at times when I can see them, instead of firing straight out of the tubes, it appears they are launching from up overhead above me and behind, like they are launching from someone else’s vehicle not even mine. And are almost invisible then too. I’ve been hearing about people getting killed by invisible missiles in the air with their jets etc so maybe ALL missiles are being affected by the invisible bug?
It’s still not back to what it was before the update. It needs to be fully reverted back. Oh and they reduced the ammo amount for the autocannon to 600 total now.
Also they renamed the ADATS, to the XM1069. Why I don’t know.
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The XM is using the rolands so the flight performance is essentially the same for any nation using the same system, they simply cannot turn to intercept aircraft. The smoke is also blinding like you say, the funny thing is all the footage od the rolands in the use the smoke essentially disappears once the 2nd stage motor kicks in.
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Exactly
What I was getting at is Gaijin seems to think that the Rolands and ADATS have the same guidance systems as most ATGMs. The Roland 2s did have a manual mode but to my understanding it was rarely if ever used.
Im just backing up the argument with statistics and information because that seems to be the only thing that Gaijin will listen to.
The guidance system for the rolands isn’t it’s main issue, the biggest issue is it simply cannot turn to intercept aircraft, it has no responsiveness at all, the funny thing is there’s atgms that out turn it with ez yeh roland was designed to take down high speed aircraft and simply cannot do that in game lol
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let’s make it short - they have become much too sluggish. completely unusable !! as it is now.
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Well most speedy ATGMs can’t even reach mach 1, so it would out maneuver a missile going mach 3+. I agree that the Rolands are less responsive but I find that the over-correcting is worse. The ADATs has a laser beam riding missile, the missile can detect how far away it is from the center of the beam and calculate precise course corrections. The Roland system tracks where the missile is and controls it through radio. Over correcting should not be this bad .
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