Trying to justify that every nations CAS is on par with USSRs just makes it all more obvious that you are a troll.
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There’s a difference between functional prototypes and paper designs, not that either the US or Italy have literally zero production SPAA to add.
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@Matthgame231
So everyone that wants SPAA better than Pantsir in the game for all ten tech tree are “trolls” to you…
Keep defending Russia and CAS as that seems to be all your posts are good at.
Was there ever any doubt
Never said anything about not adding SPAAs to other nations.
Not defending Russia, it’s a fact that the Pantsir is the best SPAA there is ingame, CAS is just food for it , any Pantsir player that knows how to use TWS is gonna intercept all of AGMs you send at him.
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Yet you call people names for wanting better SPAA in War Thunder.
Pantsir being the best at not fragging my Tornado ASSTA doesn’t change the fact better SPAA is necessary.
Intercepting AGMs, which isn’t possible most of the time from CAS being played correctly, doesn’t destroy the CAS.
The game needs SPAA superior to Pantsir no matter how much you believe it’s OP, cause as someone that’s never died to it while running CAS, it’s not OP.
Isn’t possible only when there’s multiple jets in the air, if it’s just one then you can’t do anything to it.
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Huh. Doesn’t sound accurate.
Yes, because they made better missile systems than the East and had better combined arms capability / integration so they were less dependent upon SPAAs.
But this is a game that revolves around balance, hence why newer /closer to top of the line Russian/Soviet tanks fight older western models. So arguing there aren’t any while not even factually accurate isn’t a good argument.
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Explain in detail how to play CAS “correctly”
Stand-off.
On spawn, turn perpendicular dropping to the deck and assess your range.
Get to >16km and start climbing.
With over 8000 meters in altitude, you run the S maneuver.
Starting from perpendicular >18km away, you select the area of the BF you want to launch on.
Turn in to launch munitions then turn away prior to getting within 13km.
When done correctly, Pantsir’s missile will always miss.
In terms of SHORAD this take is objectively false, especially when translated into war thunder, and in terms of LRAD/SAM networks, again the Russians and Chinese both have very capable systems and have remained to build up/modify these networks up to current standards, it’s not healthy to continually underestimate a nation’s tech due to a preconceived bias against eastern tech. While on one have the Patriot system has shown it’s benefits, it has also shown it’s shortcomings that are addressed by S-400/HQ-9
I didn’t say that the Com Bloc weapons were bad. I said the western missiles were better. I have spent my entire military career (nearly 22 years) training to defeat Soviet/Russian IADS. I have a very deep respect for how dangerous they are.
But from the Hawk - Patriot, Aegis SM’s and THAAD I will assert that unit per unit, western missiles are better than eastern missile systems. You can say “xxx has better SHORAD” but you’re looking at only one part of a network and you also have to look at the why things look or are the way they are.
Without access to classified data, it’s an impossible argument to prove either way.
The Igla and the Redeye/Blowpipe were roughly comparable. But our access to high end tech and manufacturing quickly set western missiles ahead.
China got TOR, where’s russian TOR? Instead of it they have decided to give them Pantsir, you see the pattern? The decision is always made to benefit soviet tech tree.
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Poor choice of words.
And I don’t wanna hear shit about them not having radar when you can just stick one of these in the back and actually USE the trailer feature
Which is also how the Skysweeper would get around, because it IS towed and you can see the tow hitch and steering axle here
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The context was “at a BR that currently lacks options”, as indicated by OP’s post.
None of those fit that as all of those are <4.0 or >9.0 but <12.0 capability.
SL-AMRAAM is more than capable of competing and exceeding Pantsir’s performance. AIM-9X has often quoted 23km range, even if we assume it to be capable at half that range it is still competitive.
The thing is you have to be careful with new additions.
SPAA needs to apply pressure, not be wins.
Pantsir is ~4km of range from doing that itself.
Spyder could do that, but that’s one vehicle and Israeli.
Better Pantsir could do that too, but Russian.
Cool, then give it AIM-120A/B/early C instead of the proper SL-AMRAAM with the extra booster. There’s also variants of the same system that can also carry 9Xs for closer range targets.
Its all a matter of actually wanting to fulfill a gap, gaijin is clearly willing to bend reality to suit the game (Brimstones) but not to add new top tier SPAA to countries that aren’t russia.
Which one exactly is sub 4.0?
Soviets didn’t get a new top SPAA though. they got A top SPAA, and only one.
Pantsir, which is as useless as everything else, is well over a year old in the game.
But yeah, all ten tech trees need new SPAA.