You claimed that.
You’re not doing too hot either, shooting down CAS… I don’t think you know enough about SPAA to be engaging in this discussion.
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Normal CAS players don’t fly in a straight line. Since you think SPAA is so OP you should try not flying in a straight line.
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2 miles or 3km does not account for altitude. When you hit the 5th grade and learn about the Pythagorean theorem you would know how to calculate the actual distance. Some SPAA might be able to do this if the CAS player is braindead and flies directly into the battlefield and in the case of missile AA, does not deploy any countermeasures or evasive maneuvers. Try to get a kill over 2.5 km with any unguided SPAA, bonus points if it’s over 25mm caliber. Judging by what SPAA-Chan said about your SPAA stats I’m not confident you will deliver. Planes also have access to the entire massive map, SPAA should be able to attack planes flying in their direct vicinity.
As a rule of thumb don’t call other player bad when you complain about how hard CAS is, even CAS mains will laugh at you.
You literally said “SPAA can attack CAS from extreme distances, even from spawnpoint to spawnpoint.”
This point you keep making about what I assume are SPAA being able to shoot from the distance of one tank spawn to another implies that you consistently fly over the friendly tank spawn while the enemy. This could be another possible explanation for your skill issue with CAS. You don’t have to fly directly towards the enemy spawn where enemy SPAA is waiting. I’m sure @SPAA-Chan will also tell you that SPAA are expecting you to fly in from that exact direction. This in combination with your straight line flying comments are pointing to a clear picture…
Skill. Issue.
oof, whenever I say this, I hit nerves and I become disliked and get insulted by certain individuals. Not gonna mention names or insult back cuz im not going to drop down to their level.
Everything about this game is skilled/knowledge based. I get hated just for saying it too, but its the hard truth. The truth hurts and no one likes it, but it is what it is. A lot of players here refuse to learn somehow and will continue crying about SPAA being OP or CAS being OP, with the exception of top tier where we still lacking better SAM systems to keep up against 10km+ A2G weapons. Everything depends on what they do and how to counter, when to counter, how to avoid.
Agreed, it was mean but I’m tired of him posting the same thing over and over without considering anyone else’s point.
I do think there are some other areas where CAS needs to be address. I also think as the OP of this thread stated that SPAA around 9.3-10.3 needs to be addressed. I don’t want CAS to be removed or even changed very much. People assume (not saying you) that if you don’t think SPAA is OP than you think CAS suffers or vice versa or that if you think certain vehicles (Cough Yak-9K Cough) are overperforming and harming the game that you hate the entire mechanic.
I will say that sometimes there is not anything you can do to avoid CAS other than just not be in that location at that time. CAS is an asymmetrical mechanic by design, which I think is why it is so upsetting to many players. This mostly comes down to a team thing, players don’t call out air targets often and the air target callout system is mostly useless when you are occupied trying to fight on the ground. War Thunder teammates are just generally awful all around 95% of the time, which leads to getting stomped, which leads to unrestricted CAS, which leads to forum posting. If there is any group of people I want to be my pallbearers, it’s my teammates in Ground RB, so they can let me down one last time.
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Projecting
When enough planes are spawned, or in those matches with more than one rushing heli points should not be a problem. If there’s only one plane per game, maybe one guy would get it with SPAA, but the other SPAA will have nothing left. That’s discouraging on SPAA spawns.
Sorry but it’s real :D
This is a great example on how Vehicle Types work without specific vehicles. TDs have lost their best suited map features, the designed niche for them to use their special capabilities.
It can be a scenario like:
TD does not work well in death valley, but when they encountered bad players, they would one shot them with the tremendous firepower. One may say they are strong for they one shots everything, the other side would argue about the protection and overpressure, the mobility and lack of stab, etc. etc. People always remember a worst feeling; here being one shot in a best armoured tank by a camper TD.
I could have a.w. ptsd sry. Quite award now with the line between too weak and not useable
This is why I enjoy T72B soooo much lol. Those Leo2A4s never have the space to use mobility, the slopes to use depression, the range to use thermals nor the chance to survive 3BM42 afterpen. This is what’s called theoretical disadvantages.
PGZ09 does not care. So doesn’t M247. Many maps doesn’t even provide cover for pop ups e.g.poland east europe , in the case Kursk is seen as with cover. Also pop up with dumb weapon require 10x more skill for a sitting silent gepard to shoot from a not detected position.
Nonexistent/ Pushed to the spawn and get SPAA killed along with everyone else.
Nonexistent / will get a dead teammate and a turret turning towards you/ will get strelaed. idk maybe everyone’s good at spotting with strela.
anyways if 2v1 can’t overwhelm a single known SPAA, the CAS does need help.
Fly anything without a rwr to deal with a single PGZ09/M247/strela. Assume that a teammate plane is already sacrificed to let you know there is such SPAA somewhere on the other side of the map, but he only opened fire for 1 sec and moved: no you are not seeing that bit of flash. Assume it’s a normal team who won’t give accurate marks (they can’t even let a scout drone survive longer anyways).
Fly any Helirush without flying Ka. This is quite obvious lol with any autocannons at no ccip BRs and 2s38 at higher.
This reminds me of a strategy my friend used with su22m3. Climb to 6km and toss 500kgs to my accurate marks… and pray hard for spread, ccip accuracy, and that guy not to move. And my marks to be reliable & accurate too.
For this one we stand for the same thing. A further af and a further spawn is good for both sides.
And make ground battles last longer themselves
8.x is okay-ish but I don’t think migs and sabres should try to toss their loads without ccip and compete with gepards xD and those MCLOS msl planes who wouldn’t like to move when actually trying to guide
and another thing to add is a part of CAS’ strength is further increase the winner’s advantage with the kills. It is purely a game design issue to make an advantage a larger advantage. Not spawn AA and they are gotta be tooo useful xD
CAS is just as easy tough. Most of the time I die to SPAA below 8.3 is when I get bored and throw my life away.
From 8.3-10.3, CAS is almost dead, Radar SPAA VS Any jets without CCIP/RWR, SAM VS Helis, which even only has 3-5km range ATGM. Especially considering so many jet fighters’ BR is already lower than CAS.
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I don’t know if I entirely agree that CAS is “dead” but I’d say it’s about as close to balanced as you can get and there is an odd CAS that might need a little buff here or there
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Well, at least I don’t know how to use CAS without any AGM to counter like M247 or PGZ09, and how to use MI24 to counter Roland or other SAM around 9.7-10.3, they don’t even use radar, can easily find CAS position, even if you hide behind the mountains
Some of the players demand that the SPAA destroy CAS with the click of a mouse, which is similar like toptier CAS, frankly say there is no balance, just depends on which side lost control
I’ve had a few good runs in the Harrier Gr3 using someone’s scouting to create a CCRP point and then buzz in at 50ft.
Though not a bracket I play often for a number of reasons.
At 10.3 I use FRS1, GR1A and Buc S2B with decent success
True spaa is pretty good at top tier ppl just overreacting to cas
It depends on whether the SPAAs are sleeping. I have suffered from CAS many times, but I never got mad with that, because my teammates did nothing until I respawned SPAA and shot down all of CAS, same situation also happened in toptier, I can use AV8+ with zuni and jdam to destroy a whole SPAA team, they just stay at there and looking at the sky…
I have to admit it’s hard to find qualified SPAA players who at least change their position all the time and keep refreshing their radio report.
Talk about being dunked on
ULQ_LOVER lives to make himself look like a fool
Hes the one doing the dunking
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Yeah, on himself
Just take the L mate theres no recover for you from that
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