So, basically, Soviet shells have very well known very good performance vs angled armor.
But while in most cases it is within the realms of possibility (assuming Soviet shells are perfectly heat-treated for the nose to depart at just the right moment to allow rest of shell body to continue with less deflection), sometimes it’s just ridiculous and I would be very grateful for the explanation.
Why is that?
What makes Soviet long rod APBC so damn effective vs layered armor?
Was it designed to penetrate composite armor?
Could it also defeat ERA?
So many questions…
Dude, explain to me, how does it make 98mm out of 120mm LOS armor when its layered, but 145 out of 120mm LOS armor when it’s non layered, while it makes close to no difference to 8.8 and any other gun in game?
Also how does 85mm APBC penetrate 38mm plate at 84 degrees?
Again, explain why does 85mm penetrate Abrams and why it absolutely roflstomps layered 60mm, while it can’t penetrate non-layered 60mm.
IMO WW2 Soviets were preparing themselves for modern armor and thus decided to make an APHE-long rod combo, they got the long rod part by using Stalin’s (of course I’m talking about the tank, right?) legendary driveshaft (wink wink) exctract.
Again, that’s beside a point, the jump from 140+ to 98mm non-layered vs layered is ridiculously huge. No such thing occurs for any other shell in-game.
Also APBC going through armor at 86 degrees withiut getting deflected is quite impressive.
I can assume angled penetration of 85mm was designed to defeat Abrams from the front, and layered penetration was to defeat Abrams from the side?
I mean, Soviet time travelers are a fact confirmed by the famous documentary Red Alert.
So I have to prove that insane layered armor penetration or penetrating Abrams UFP at 86 degrees that Gaijin has simply made up is fictional using proof?
Can we have unicorns in game too? There is no proof they don’t exist.
You have given me no information that can in any shape or form explain the magnificent works of Sovied engineering meets wizardry.
It’s clear APBC is far superior to long rod APFSDS, I just wanted to know, how is that possible as it’s not consistent with game mechanics.
But I guess it’s in the same realm as plywood not fusing HE shells: Gaijin’s source is that they made it the …hell up.
Gaijin has never been able to properly implement the penetration modifier based on the bullet’s thickness. They exaggerate the penetration of blunt nose shells to an extreme degree, when it should be less effective, and in fact, AP and APBC bullets should be practically the same as those. You can’t expect Gaijin to do things well, and even less so if they’re important.
I mean, I am fine with APBC being slightly better vs angled, because their base penetration is lower so it “evens out”.
Thing is, vs layered armor (and so, plates below 50mm roughly) it gets quite ridiculous.
The penetration at large angles is greatly exaggerated. At large angles, the blunt APBC, like the AP and conventional APBC, should be almost equal, while the APC and APCBC should be inferior at large angles, in exchange for greater penetration at 0°.
The fundamental problem here is that the developers, for some undefined reason, gave the blunt APBCs an exaggerated large-angle penetration modifier.
