Ofc because you lookign at your own political agenda not message that i quoted. Question didn’t stand could they produce high quality armor or not, people saying that they couldnt produce armor at all which is false.
if they couldn’t produce high quality armor the coefficient in game would have to be lowered
Germans couldn’t produce good transmissions.
Soviets had welding issues until they automated.
Japan had metallurgy problems.
Britain couldn’t produce good engines.
And everyone had issues with their built ships from minor to major.
Many couldn’t finish planned ships including Germany, Britain, USSR, France, Japan…
Soyuz is tough, so is Bismark.
Both are necessary at this stage to find out where everything needs to be.
Many wanted a shallow powercreep of naval, myself included.
However, the moment I saw these new ships, the moment I saw them coming in at 8.7… I knew that it was to make BR decisions for ships easier in the future.
Knowing where things end makes it easier to know what to put in between.
Russia is best. Sovetsky Soy Youze is perfectly fine. Stop denigrating Russia.
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Where in my argument did I state my ‘political agenda’? Stop accusing me of things I have not said or done. It make your argument seem worse.
If the ‘high quality’ armour had to be reduced in quality to be produced then it is not high quality armour.
Naturally the Soviets could create armour plate, even a face hardened one of 400mm thickness, but not a cemented plate of that thickness. In game I believe she has the 400mm Rolled Cemented plate which could not be produced at all.
If you have any sources that prove to the contrary, I would like to hear them and be proven wrong.
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Those ar not the same
you are talking about reliability issues on something that exists IRL but isn’t modelled in game (introduction of which would be firstly unfun for gameplay, and would also impact Russia anyway)
I’m talking about a thickness multiplier depending on the type of armor, which is modelled in game. Per the source of the other guy, they wanted to produce a 400mm but could not produce such thickness in high quality armor like the actual naval powers of the time, so one good way to balance it out would be to lower that multiplier.
Considering they already got a non existant 400mm thick plate, i find that already generous
I still remember that when I asked that one previous bloke defending SS how did they estabilish the RoF of SS without practical test in finished ship and his answer was something along the lines of “well they looked at contemporary batthelship turret designs”.
I dont know about you but I find this answer stroke inducing. They looked at something similiar and just assumed that their unfinished thing will do the same.
Thats like me deciding to build a supersport car with no prior experience, make barebone chassis and start claiming that since other supersports car can go this fast, mine would be able to do so too.
Because the turret design not 100% done indigneously. British and French help designing and making 16’’ guns and turrets. Gibbs&Cox also participate in Soviet 16’’ battleship project with their own design but idk how much their influence on Project 23’s turret design.
Cause @Morvran was complaining about accuracy of british 15 inch,i took my Hood for a spin after few months, and every salvo hit very tightly together. I remember the guns being inaccurate before,but not anymore, they are as accurate as every other guns ig. Hitting exactly where you want them.
At what ranges?
5-6km?
Sure they are accurate. No where near as accurate as Soyuz though at 12-15km. Good luck hitting anything at those kinds of ranges with more than 1 or 2 rounds
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No, at 13km as it was big circle. Onetapped Alaska and Ise on that range.
Then you got lucky. My average shell dispersal at 10km is like 200-300m.
I still get salvos that perfectly bracket the target ship (some rounds landing long, others landing short) at ranges of 10ish km.
I gernerally dont fire until im within at least 8-9km because there is no point wasting the shells
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You do something wrong then. Cause the guns are perfectly fine, way more accurate than they used to be.
if I have 50% of a salvo landing on the far side of the target, and 50% of the salvo landing infront of the target, how can I possibly be doing anything wrong?
Clearly my range is absolutely perfect.
and even IF it was true and British 15" guns were as accurate as Soyuz. Doesnt change the fact that Soyuz can one shot any ship in the game with ease and nothing else can even scratch its paint.
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Imgur: The magic of the Internet 18 km shot i just did now ig,it landed very closely. This is how the dispersion actually is on the guns, that close they land.
You fired 4 rounds. 3 landed short by like 100m, one hit the targets rear even though you were aiming at the front… That isnt “tight grouping”. The rounds landed like 200m apart
If Soyuz has accuracy set based upon land based tests. Then British 15" guns should have a dispersal set to the same standards, which would reduce the spread by 4-5x
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You are saying one lands behind, others infront and none hits the ship when you fire. Here 3 out of 4 hit. If that wouldnt be my first ranging salvo. They would all hit within the ship.
And my experiene is that on average 50% of salvos fired miss the target wildly. Sure, once in a blue moon, you get lucky and more of the rounds land in a close cluster. But just as often 75+% of the savlo will miss.
Thats not skill. Thats just luck.
Especially annoying when Soyuzs can fire more rounds per salvo. More salvos per minute, Each round does 2-3x the damge and 90% of their salvo will hit.
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Its not luck, if all the salvos end like that. I will now let u complain about everything british again even when half of it is fine, cause you wont stop anyway.
if its a flip of a coin whether or not your perfectly aimed salvo actually hits the target or not. That is literally the definition of luck
And still has 0 bearing on the soviets having a 9.7/10.0 battleship at only 8.7
if soyuz gets to use land based tests for accuracy, everyone should
if soyuz gets its hypothetical reload, everyone should
etc etc
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