…so literally guesstimation. no test were held. gotcha.
but i already quoted morvran twice. gaijin flat out denied buffing RoF even if it was historical. buffing others was already tried.
see point above. buffing others was tried and it went nowhere.
the already posted global data dont suggest that to be the case.
but theres clearly a case to nerf SS due to aforementioned global statistics. You cant have vehicle being such clear and uncontested outlier in effectivity and do nothing.
You should seriously try Yamato. Maybe it would open your eyes and you would stop filling this chat with such bs about how “realistic” or “balanced” things in naval are.
You take the elevator design from a 305mm gun and modify it a little.
Well it won’t change, as for Yamato it is just problem of trying to build battleship too compact. She needs more displacement to become ‘normal’ design.
I’ve already grinded it, just my priority is on competitive design of Soyuz, Iowa, Bismarck and Richelieu.
In fact I’m all nation grinder, so I don’t have specific bias about ‘nation’, though maybe I have specific bias about ‘design’ of each ships.
We don’t call Maus good design, I’ll stand same for Yamato.
There’s a small difference between these two. One of them is a good design that’s being crippled due to poor game design, the other is the Maus.
Calling Yamato a ‘good’ design would depend on what to prioritize.
If ‘weight saving’ or ‘weight effectiveness’ is on priority on pacific theatre, Yamato would be a good design.
But on ‘survivability when main belt penetrated’, which was quite important factor on European theatre, Yamato is a very poor design.
And current War Thunder naval’s design is near to European theatre design. I will not call it ‘poor’ design. Especially I’m former WOWs player and see how long range sniping meta makes WOWs boring and users get out from that game.
Plus, even in pacific theatre there were case of close range battle, for example IJN Kirishima vs USS South Dakota & USS Washington.
Is Soyuz still as absurd as it was on release?
Because I am not dropping $80 on another BB that’s just going to get bug zapped by it. I just went back to tanks/planes after seeing some of the ridiculous uptiers in Naval RB.
In one map, we had 2 x 8.7s, 2x 8.3s and a 7.7 (me of course) on our side, and the enemy team had an 8.0 and then nothing but 7.7s. No excuse for that match making, given the Naval zoo of nations on any team.
well in few days there should be august 2025 data aviable on statshark, so we will know for certain if its july 2025 rampage continues.
dont blame ya. I was almost, almost, swayed by the HMS Nelson into giving naval another chance.
Yeah, there is at least one QoL change ive been after for months coming this major. So im gunna dust off top tier naval again and give it a go. But I was really put off by the idea of top tier naval being a 1 ship meta again, had enough of that with Scharnhorst that i’ve not played any top tier naval in months.
Id be really tempted by Nelson, but its just too much for me right now with not enough value as I have the tree grinded and SLs are easy to get with Belfast
Yep, exact same here, love the Nelson, class and would get it right now, but I’m just done being a loot piñata.
Oh wow, people dont’t wanna play high tier naval (just to be absolutely demolished by a completely overpowered russian fantasy ship that was only finished to 20% but still excells in every metric in game being multiple times as effective as its competitors) anymore and don’t want to buy completely overpriced copy paste ships? Colour me surpised. what a shocker. No one could have seen that coming…
Right? I unlocked my Bismarck a month ago and haven’t played it once… because why would I? There’s no place to send RP. Would be a waste of the 10 free repairs knowing my chances of getting yeeted by the Sovetsky Soyuz. I see no fun in it. So, I have my Bismarck and will simply wait for some higher level German ships to be added, or for Gaijin to fix this fake Sovetsky Soyuz abomination. And we both know which is going to happen first.
play it in naval ec rb or arcade, whatever you prefer. Its the better gamemode anyhow. Well i personally hate the arcade aiming, torpedo wall (because reloading them) and bombers just sitting in space reloading bombs meta (luckily not the case in RB EC). But on the enduring confrontation maps with bigger distances you at least have an option to run and dodge, making people lose interest and giving you time to get allies to help you out. wasting 100s of shells there on 20 km+ targets that are watching you and avoid being hit by running away and maneuvering every time you are about to shoot is just a massive waste of a soyuz’ time. and gives you time to pull him somewhere where he could suddenly be overwhelmed by multiple dangers or just useless (or out/low on ammo when suddenly theres a real threat appearing) if he still keeps chasing and hyperfocussing you. Or you can just spawn somewhere else, far away from the 8.7 ships u can do nothing against and at least have a chance there to fight somewhat equal opponents.
Naval rb on the other hand is just a absolute mess. unreachable caps (well unless youre in a unkillable soyuz) whole team spawning in your face, most matches decided by pt boats capping at least 2 caps that are basically unreachable for battleships in the middle of the map and even if you somehow get there you are in extreme danger sitting 5 km from the whole enemy teams only spawn. wtf is that game design srsly?
Though i see the problem, naval ec is good once you have the important modifications, for which (grinding and also spading) RB is way better and ec is just too long matches. RB for spading and grinding, after that, i never or almost never touch it again. pointless fish in a bowl gamemode.
No you only bought Yamato lmao. I said try it as in “play the stock ship”. Go on try how fun and balanced it is. Insted of just farming with likes of wet fantasy Soyuz or Iowa (not as op as soyuz but still much better modeled than yamato with every little armour put in and Iowa still can live with ammorack detonation unlike Yamato that goes poof after any penetration) If you quote
you basically wanna put both soyuz and Yamato at 9.0 as they are just giving them better reload. Thats just crazy.
Souyz certainly needs nerfs but putting higher in br does not fix anything. It needs to be nerfed in stats and performance (tnt fillar, ammorack size, armour, hp, penetration etc.) to be more realistic and worse than all the other 8.7 insted of this abomination of every possible perfect thing soyuz could have in soviet most perfect wettest dreams. This would just elevate fake ship saying how better it is which is just wrong.
Agreed, but if those are denied then the only solution left is BR, the system meant to balance dissimilar vehicles
Excuse me? What I’m saying was put Soyuz and Iowa onto 9.0. That’s why I’m comparing them with Yamato, isn’t it?
That thing is going for 10+ k/d. Wild.
Could actually happen, naval playrate is down crazy from July to August so it might experience more downtiers than before
