God, every time I try to give Naval a try, I remember why I left…
Unironically, SOYUZ is 80% of the reason.
Its damn invincible fantasy armor.
Its somehow faster-firing guns with nearly twice as much explosive power per shot compared to even Yamato obliterating you in 1-2 salvos…
69,9 mm vs 65mm is not “nearly twice” but just 7.5% more, and neither could pen fat armor decks.
And even SAPs 77.2 is not enough, besides it just 18.77% more and not enough for armor decks too.
Eh? I said explosive power;
Compare Soyuz’s 40 kg of TNT equivalent vs Yamato’s 25 kg lol
All of that with FASTER rate of fire (3 whole seconds faster) and equivalent penetration.
This is apparently realistic, and it wouldn’t be such a problem… if it weren’t because Soyuz currently has an extremely overperforming armor protection; cemented plates exceeding 230mm in thickness should either be composed of 2 plates that combine into the required thickness, or NOT be cemented, but rolled instead.
Which converts, in game, into HE shrapnel armor piercing and nothing more(they even have same amount of shatters and explosion radius, despite difference in mass and filler), so those “kg” difference means nothing(in fact a lot of shells have the same characteristics in game despite their obvious differences in IRL, 330mm have same characteristics as 381mm, 203mm same as any 305, all the shells barely different from each other), but what matters in game is that Yamato rounds fuses in 0.05s, while Soyz ones in 0.035s which gives Yama more chances to reach modules.
ps. Only 3 things that actually matter in game gunplay atm. - penetration(+fuzetime), spread of the gun, and firerate.
Yama have all of them. Richelieu have none.
You rant about what you do not know how it works.
in naval shell weight matters too, and too less explosive does matter(for example Italian 12’‘), but every shell that is bigger than 12.6’’ does have fulfilled least amount of explosive need
so your statement clearly stands for Richelieu and Yamato yeah
i hope so, but they are older ships and italy didnt start building any new BB,s after them. so if we wanna compete, gaijin would need to allow paper ships or other design,s of almost built ships who has sisters ingame that were built
Except it’s not. Cause they have best pen on their BR and therefore best KD on their BRs, so they could reach modules better. And all opponents have barely any armor thickness in armored decks so their 46.6 explosive pen is more than enough even in current game state.
Yeah, Nothing has changed, Soyuz still needs to be deleted or moved massively up. Laying into one in Vanguard and I barely scratched the paint, you cant damage it in an 8.3
Took 2 respawns in Vanguard and another player in HMS Lion + other bots all laying into the guy for him to finally go down. If it had been NRB instead of NEC… Yeah, he would have been unkillable
That thing should not be 0.3 higher than a lot of ships in its current state.
lmao yeah everyone is just bad but you, it’s definitely not the ship is completely broken
Ship is not broken, damage model is - 13 pen from fragments of 1000kg+ shells(Поведение снарядов в морских боях - Обсуждение игры - War Thunder — официальный форум) and broken underwater hits(Is something changed or wrong with naval and underwater shells?) that what cause issues with “strong” ships.
Example:
rocket damage with 35.3 fragments pen
Torpedo damage with slightly better amount of explosion mass.
Shell damage with almost same f
huge difference in damage
I’ve not played top tier naval in a year because of how toxic the Soyuz is
It needs to be 9.7
And you can’t aim vanguards guns at anything closer than 3 to 5km
Maybe you should play something other than Brits to understand that problem is not in “Soyz”.
Why? Soyuz is the problem. The only people who don’t think Soyuz is a problem are the people who play it and like the cheat mode
Sure problem is in “people” and “Soyz”. Not in you, who don’t want to research how game works to understand why some ships preform better than the others in current game state.
Funny you’re the only one saying this, maybe you’re just wrong lol, but hey enjoy your utter fantasy cope ship as the slave union couldn’t even build a half decent cruiser
Funny that Vanguard is third by K/D in 8.0-8.7 atm,
Let’s nerf Vanguard it’s overperforming despite his wacky guns.
funny nobody ever complains about it, seriously do you think you’re clever? we all know what the biggest issue with naval is lol
also starshark, notoriously accurate lol
K/D is not the end all be all and it’s tiring that you use it as the primary reason.
Highest earner in SL per game. Highest kills per death, 61% winrate. Not to mention if it angles, most shells, including 46s, are not going through.
Edit
The point is this; Soyuz is a problem. Obviously not because of what nation it’s a part of, but because the damn thing has no weakness in the hands of even a slightly competent player.
Iowa at least has a pixel of a weakpoint in the bow if angled for comparison.
I really hope they’re as generous with the “what if” stuff when they add the h39, which will be better tirpitz at this point. honestly I really want tirpitz since it’s the only WW2 German ship that actually had targeting radar for its 105s
