A pair of interesting South Vietnamese SPAA, based upon American trucks and likely using 20mm cannons
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New post by the Indonesian MoD to celebrate the Indonesian Air Force Anniversary
Notice something? there’s certainly something amiss, and its not the Rafale
lets take a closer look
that looks like a Viper to me
This is definitely NOT corelated to this right? most definitely not. I wonder what this could mean 🤔🤔
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It’s going to be upgraded to which block? 72?
unknown currently, most likely Özgür package since thats what the Air Force wanted. Makes sense since we’re trying to get closer to turkey + the president wants to join the TAI Kaan program. If it were the Özgür then its most likely be around block 70
EDIT:
additionally I feel its best to mention that there is a fresh rumor of two new fighter jets type (as in new ones we haven’t used before, but not the one you would think!) deals being done and just waiting to be officially announced, the source of it is quite reliable so i’d believe it, but again nothing concrete as of now
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new info of the Indonesian AMX-13s to be upgraded for the umpteenth time by Turkey. This isnt the pindad amx-13 retrofit (yonkav2) but another modernization program. So i guess this would be the 7th iteration of our AMX-13s, which is insane. Those museum pieces will continue to be on service for eternity i swear
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105mm or 120mm on the AMX-13?
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120 is a bit excessive for the hull, so most likely stays 105 but with more modern FCS and other upgrades. besides the agreement was apparently only completed a couple months back, so the program is still in its infancy phase.
Wouldve preferred to add more Harimau MTs but apparently the cockerill turret is like half the price of the tank so thats why we havent bought more, and storage leopard 2s are getting harder to come by so theres not really much option tbf
for ground there’s nothing really worth noting currently compared to the Navy or Air Force, army is busy making new infantry div n regional command so they most likely have the budget to splurge on armored vehicles
I mean, there’s sweden with their stridsvagns that tank anything shot at it that isn’t KH-38MT.
There’s a whole ass sea that SEA need to defend, Indonesia putting their foot down with some harriers certainly isn’t going to hurt.
looks like a single 404 with old drum magazine to me.
Indonesia just needs to bring back the Jong
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Indonesian MoD met with Haluk Görgün of Turkish SBB (Defence Industry Agency) to discuss future priority projects between the two nations, namely:
- Indonesian F-16 Modernization program (F-16V) (rumors/was mentioned before, now confirmed)
- TAI TF KAAN fighter jet interest (was reported before but nothing concrete, now confirmed)
- ToT & Collaboration of ANKA drone, rockets and submarine (already established)
Source:
Minister of Defence’s Instagram post
the viper upgrade is the worst kept secret but the pivot to KAAN (or to Turkey in general) is surprising but not entirely unexpected considering we’ve been buying/eyeing up Turkish equipments recently.
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anyone know when this fix will take effect at all?
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hyaCqKHQc7ol
Knowing Gaijin’s track record, give it 5 years and maybe they’ll get around to it.
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Indonesian NBo 105CB suggestion up!
Speaking of helicopters are there any plans to make an ASEAN founders heli tree?
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Clearer plans for Indonesia-Turkey equipment development from a while back
Source
few things to note:
A. Apparently the KAAN interest is for purchasing only, rather than R&D, KF21 development is still progressing but purchasing is a bit unlikely
B. Istiff-class is the most likely target, was already viewed and visited by the Navy Chief of staff a while back. two more would presumably be custom-built for ID
C-D, F, G, I is self explanatory
E & H is somewhat interesting, we already know the AMX is going to be modernized, but apparently so do our Leo2s. I kinda get the T129, relatively low cost to maybe replace the Mi-35P (I mean we had to airlift the parts of the Hind to Belarus just a couple of days ago to get it activated again, which is certainly not ideal) or as a complement to those heli
overall very interesting, not that I approve of the AEW&C but still interesting regardless
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Credits to @CubicSquare there were some discussions on an ASEAN heli tree way back then on the ASEAN Research Group discord (I think you can PM @Noveos_Republic for a link if youre not in it yet). This however still lacks maritime choppers though from Japan especially (and I think there Thailand has MH-60s of their own as well but unconfirmed if it carried weapons, and the Philippines has an AW-159 that can carry Spike NLOS like the South Korean ones).
ADDENDUM:
Ill just post pics of notable mentions here just for easy reference:
AS550 Fennec [Singapore]
AH-6i Little Bird [Thailand]
*Not yet arrived
T-129B Atak [Philippines]
*Technically only has Cirit rockets hence the lower BR rating
Mi-35P [Indonesia]
AH-64E Apache Guardian [Indonesia]
Rooivalk Mk. 1 [Malaysia]
*Malaysia never actually bought the type but it was planned to be exported to Malaysia with Malaysia test flying it
[Personal] Honorable Mentions:
Mistusbishi SH-60K & SH-60L [Japan]
SH-60K is an upgrade from the SH-60J, while the SH-60L is an upgrade from the SH-60K
MH-60S Seahawk [Thailand]:
*Unconfirmed weapons but pylons are there and the armament is in Thai inventory
AH-1F Cobra [Thailand]
*Basically modernized & upgraded AH-1S
AW-159 Wildcat [Philippines]:
AW-109 [Philippines / Malaysia]:
*Technically only Philippines operates with APKWS rockets, both Malaysia and Philippines carry no other guided weaponry on the AW-109
AUH-76 [Philippines]
*Technically can carry guided weaponry but Philippines never bought any hellfires when this was still in service, so it only carried unguided rockets
Theres a lot of pure rocket helis in ASEAN and others like the AH-64D from Singapore was deemed a copy paste that already existed within the Japanese TT so it wasnt considered. Theres also of course your recent suggestion on the NBO-105.
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Is Indonesia going with KAAN instead of the Boromae? Afaik Indonesia is still paying for its share of the dev costs right? This seems pretty wasteful tbh
I’m from a Southeast Asian country. I think it would be cool as the different countries have very different types of jets and tanks. It does not have many low tier and mid tier aircraft and tanks but up tier may be solid.
For Maritime helis Indonesia does have the Westland wasp with torpedo similar to Thailand
2x MK44 torps / 1x MK46 Torp
otherwise the AS565 Panther also can carry the torps
or the NAS 332 Super Puma w/ exocet, athough this was only a dummy version
It’s hardly surprising considering we’ve been trying to distance ourselves from SK and pivoting to Turkey. Even the F-15 & blackhawk procurement is not really concrete as of now (blackhawk has no news in months, F-15 was somewhat discussed as part of the Tariffs recently)
The main cause is probably free from restrictions. the majority of our fighting vehicles/aircrafts are restricted to some degree (such as forbidden to take part in military operations at a certain place), which is precisely why we go to France in the 60s, since they’re fine with selling vehicles to the suppose opponent of their northeastern neighbors.
We tried pivoting to Russia in the 2010s-ish but then got blocked by CAATSA. Belarus is another story, we have done deals with them a lot in the recent years (Flanker modernization, fleet maintance, anti-drone equipments).
I think one comment mentions it best: Don’t believe any procurement deals unless you see a real-life TNI decal on the vehicle or unless the vehicle has been shown in the Armed Forces Parade
Because deals may change, from one president’s term to another (which is pretty fuckin stupid if you ask me)
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