Yeah…
Totally how it works. Kek
10 pylons makes it heavy fighter?! 😂😂😂
Yeah, just ignore that it weighs about as much as the F/A-18 which came out of the lightweight fighter program
And weighs about 10,000lbs less than the F-15 which is already pretty light for a heavy fighter
I think having more than 1 crew Member is the Most used definition of a heavy fighter
The F-16D is not a heavy fighter.
“Heavy” is the word used for AAM count among the groups I’ve been part of, which includes a few pilots.
Going “heavy” means having a lot of armament strapped to the jet.
We’re gonna see more players intentionally limiting their loadouts in WT to optimize weight & drag in the future as well.
@BearHasLanded
Empty it’s 2 tons lighter than an F-4, fully equipped it’s gonna be as heavy.
F-15C is 1 ton heavier than Typhoon empty.
I mean that doesn’t really work because of the SU-27 which is definitely a heavy fighter and the F-35 which I think most people would class as a heavy fighter too
M1A1 AIM: Built by US
Leopard C2A: Built by Germany
T-90S: Built by India.
They are different situations and have different outcomes. You don’t have to like it but you can’t compare the 3 vehicles and where they went.
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You’re acting like 2,500kg isn’t a lot of weight, the EF-2000 is a light fighter by pretty much all definitions
And max take off weight that difference only increases, the F-4E has a max takeoff weight 4,500kg higher than the EF-2000
I always thought the f35 was defently a Light fighter having both single crew and Single engine
And doesn’t fall into the su7/su9/su11 category either being a heavy bad maneuver ability plane with a single engine
The number of engines makes no difference in this regard, either. The F-5 has two engines and is very much a light fighter.
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Yea because the engines are extremely Tiny
And it has two of them.
SU-27 is a heavy fighter with 1 crew, and the F-16D is still a light fighter even with 2 crew
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There are three AV-8B variants (excluding dual seat trainers), the AV-8B (renamed the -8B (DA) to disambiguate it from the Night Attack variant), AV-8B(NA), and AV-8B+ that the US could receive, and if they wanted to restrict armament they could also pull a Late / Early for the -8B+, and spilt off advanced ordnance like the AGR-20.
The GR.7 Harrier is practically an -8B(NA) equivalent, and the Italian -8B+ is a knockdown kit built to -8B+ standards. So yeah there are options especially considering that they went out of their way for the A-7K in place of something actually interesting and useful like the A-7F or A-6F.
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Typhoon F2 is only 2x more AAMs than the current Tornado F3, F-16 and actually equal to the Current F-14. at 10x AAMs. (and essentially no A2G weapons) That to me is NOT a good justification for it not to be added. With F-15 likely coming soon with a lot more AAMs than that. I think any and all arguments against the Typhoon just fall apart and we arent even suggesting a full Typhoon F2, more like the Typhoon DA2 with the placeholder engines and weaker radar and more limited defensive systems.
Yeah, F-15, SU-27 and Typhoon will have 8, 10, and 10 AAM between them, so the Typhoon (Early) with AIM-9 and AMRAAM would probably be fine to add at the same time.
Especially as the F-15 would have Aim-9M, Su-27 likely R-73 and the Typhoon only Aim-9L.
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