There are KF platform prototypes that are better than KF-41 that can be added instead.
On top of that, PUMA is better than KF-41 due to remove turret & a different but better composite armor arrangement.
That is a decent argument of course but the F-4 generally is in the US tech tree.
Since there only really is the Puma for Germany to add a KF-41 down the line where it may become necessary even would certainly be possible.
I never said it could or should not be added to the Hungarian sub tree or that it should coem to the German tree as soon as possible or that it certainly has to.
Just that it easily could.
Whether it’s needed is a very important point, If it doesn’t add anything to the tech tree then it’s just in the way, something you have to grind to go further but doesn’t add anything historically or gameplay wise, and the fact that it isn’t even a German service vehicle means that unless it fills a real gap in the German tree there is no reason for it to be there.
The Abrams sent to Ukraine and the M1A1s that didnt have the DU armor, used Chobham (or Dorchester, I can’t remember. Either way, british armor)
So by this can we have a prototype Stuka please It had a British engine !
No they use a titanium based armor that the US independently developed lmao
It is beside the point because the argument of necessity comes after establishing the possibility.
If it is possible to add a F-16cariant to Japan it never quite considered or bought etc. teh same is technically possbile for KF-41.
Let’s use an analogy, the Puma (with Spikes) is an F-4E, the KF-41 is an F-4F, it is effectively a Puma with a lot of the really high tech parts stripped out, sure it’s a different chassis but the core concept is the same and the same basic design philosophy was the same just for export instead of for the German military.
The F-16AJ is a bad example as that was specifically added to fill a gap, there isn’t a gap for the KF-41 to fill so it still proves nothing.
The KF-41 fills the same role as a Puma just worse, but not so much worse that it creates a gap in BR that needs filling like the AJ does between the F-1 and F-2
Holy shit no way you guys are still talking about KF-41 going to Germany lmao
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Mains for you
“Next we’d like to talk about further Leopard variants. We understand your request to see a more heavily armored version and we’d like to let you know that more variants of the Leopard are planned to come in the future, with some coming this year.”
Took this from Smin from the Leopard 2 PSO thread. Rank VIII this year? The plot thickens.
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Is there a difference between Chobham and dorchester armour? I thought they were just different names for essentially the same thing?
Isn’t it easier to just say:
Germany’s IFV is the PUMA, which is a pretty capable IFV in of itself and will soon have Spikes which would make PUMA superior to KF-41 in pretty much every aspect.
It probably would’ve gone to Germany if it was added by itself, but given it’s been added with the rest of Hungary, it’s where it needs to be right now, in the subtree of its homeland.
Maybe we’ll see it as an event vehicle on account of Rheinmetall making it, but I think that’d just be baseless speculation. Gaijin’s already said no to adding it to Germany’s TT for various reasons that’ve been said to death.
Does it suck for German players? Yeah.
Did you get cheated out of an IFV? not really, it’s a hungarian IFV. Better luck in the future, though you’ll get Spikes soon which’ll be fine.
Surely that’s good enough to put it to bed?
Gaijin said no.
It’s been added so Hungary have more top tier vehicles represented.
Maybe you’ll get it down the line as an event vic
But no amount of complaining will change the current stance.
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Sure our personal prediction roadmaps can vary and some have more conservative estimates than others.
I’m not sure about clear, it’s plausible for sure. Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised if the later gen 4s come December as the big update for everyone. What better way to celebrate the holidays than have a shiny new toy for everyone.
Again it’s arbitrary. XF-2 can come with just 4 AIM-9Ls or AAM-3s and be perfectly balanced. Unless AESA doesn’t matter or Gaijin simplifies/fudges the prototype radar so that it’s no better than the current F-16C’s radar so that it can also use AIM-7Fs (which would satisfy your pylon rule). And again, XF-2 used prototype radar so regardless of what the F-2 production used, you can’t say it’s a full fledged production radar set and as such is subject to interpretation in it’s implementation and effectiveness (which gives Gaijin free reign to do what they need to for balance and experimentation).
I wouldn’t say solid. Just speculation from our respective point of views. We know it’s just a matter of when and we disagree on that. My personal opinion is that, we’ll see things a lot earlier than anticipated given the current pace of things.
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Fairly sure, yeah. Chobham was the XM1s armor package, Dorchester was an advancement only ever mounted on CR2.
Been too busy with work to do any armor research so that could just be bogus, but hey. I work full time lmao
Again both the analogy as well as the ‘‘necessity’’ regarding the F-16J are mute points since I’m talking about the possibility which many vehicles in game prove.
It’s more of a matter of principle. Everything else regarding necessity now or in the future comes after and does not quite concern me now since my point is that if Gaijin wanted to they could easily add the KF-41 to the German tech tree sicne it being a German developed vehicle it would not be sth. sketchy.
I gave it a quick google. Chobham looks like the base armour, dorchester is the external stuff like the NERA
“Within the Ministry of Defence (MoD), Chobham usually refers specifically to the Non-Explosive Reactive Armour & ceramic composites, while Dorchester is usually in reference to additional armour packages, primarily composed of Explosive Reactive Armour and spaced armour, although, these are often conflated when in colloquial usage.”
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this is true of literally every vehicle in the game, they make it and can do what they want with it, your argument isn’t an argument saying it’s “possible” is pointless, it’s possible that the F-22 comes next patch, we already have a 2006 version of the F-16 and a 2009 version of the MiG-29 from what I know, but saying it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s likely or even reasonable to consider.
@Morvran Planning to make a post on CR2s armor in the future, as I think that’s also incorrect.
Crew positions too, as they sit way too high.
It’s just a hard topic to do given:
A) Any hard values are classified and I don’t feel like going to prison for a video game
B) I work full time in IT so it’s nice to sometimes not be at a PC lmao
C) there’s a good amount of maths involved in calculating armor qualities
D) there’s a lot of misinformation on CR2 spread by WT UK mains who want CR2 to be indestructable.
It’s finding the right balance of having time to do all my research and put together a topic that lives up to the standard of my other posts.
I want to give CR2 it’s fair chance of being good, but i’ve gotta be careful not to bias myself or over estimate the qualities of CR2
Its a good tank, and one I think Gaijin butchered, but the Leopards will always be better.
I’ve already done essays on:
Challenger 2 Theatre Entry Standard armor values
Ammunition rack modelling and positioning
Those alone were thousands of words and days of research.
But i’m planning to do:
Challenger 2 Armor values and protection
Challenger 2 Mobility
Challenger 2 Crew positions
Challenger 2F ERA protection
And maybe some others if I can think of areas it really struggles and think are modelled wrong
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