Oh right! Sorry, i’m far out of the loop with nations like Russia. The UK is my main and has always been where my attention goes.
You’re so right though, the YAK141 and J8F are already BVR platforms for ARH
AMRAAMs are rather easily defeated until later Cs.
The PD F-4s can do fine against them, especially since at least one of them will have AMRAAMs itself.
You have to remember that Mirage 2000 5F, F-16, & Mig-29 ARHs would be 12.7 minimum.
The only 12.3s with ARHs would be worse airframes.
I could see Tornado fighting at 12.3 with AMRAAM but F16s, Gripens, fighting Phantoms would just be a sealclub. Gotta remembern it would be a whole team of better airframes. You’d be slammed.
Better to seperate phantoms out and let them have their own area before things go modern
As I said, F-16s would be 12.7 minimum.
Gripens however have a worse airframe, and I’m saying this as a fan of Gripen.
Also your team would have the better airframes as well, in equal numbers.
Yep, I was already think by everything i’ve heard about this Mig-29SMT, that maybe it should be 12.7, just so that 11.3s cant see it ever. But I dont think we ahve enough 11.7s/12s yet
Guess it’s all hypotheticals until we see Gaijins implimentation of it.
I personally think we should expand up to 13.7 or maybe even a flat 14.0 to solve compression across all BRs
OR
Change the max uptier to .3
Lol I heard it all now.
The ICE should of been here by now the fact it’s not it maybe been properly to hard to balance.
If the SMT was as good as Mig-29 9.12 in dogfights I’d agree, but boy oh boy will I easily kill it in my 11.3s.
11.3s tend to have cooler engines as well, and since R-73 gets flared easily from F-16s, pretty sure my F-1C will do fine.
@Deathmisser
We are JUST NOW getting the BR for F-4F ICE: 12.3. Patience.
A phantom against a 2nd gen 29 what drugs are you on ?
The fact you want AMRAAM fighters below 12.3 is telling enough.
Isnt that already in the harrier gr 1 ?
I’d go as far as to say that might be the best choixe for Gaijin.
Change the way uptiers and downtiers work so instead of 11.3s facing 12.3s, they can only fight 11.7s at max.
Same way that they can only fight 11.0s in downtier.
Limit the scope of balancing and planes will fit their niche far better.
Up and downtier should move 1 BR rating higher or lower. As in, 10.0 ← 10.3 → 10.7
Not 9.3 ← 10.3 → 11.3
The technology gaps between 9.X and 11.X are HUGE. At 9.3 you’re seeing shit like F86 style planes still. Its very cold war. At 10.3 you’re seeing gulf war planes, with huge leaps in tech, and at 11.3, you’re a modern plane. Its too hard to balance for Gaijin and it shows.
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That is SRAAM, sir. AMRAAM is a mid-range high-maneuverability radar guided missile;.
@Legwolf
No, I want to face 12.3s in my 11.3s. The gaps aren’t as large as you think.
If you know how to defeat the missile, and have the tools to do so, all that’s needed from that point forward is a counter-attack plan.
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My Tornado F3 would disagree with you there and I’d still reserve judgement on the R-73s for a while yet
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As long as that comes with an actual decompression, then hell yeah. Otherwise it’s just window-dressing.
So we all agree the Ice is to hard to balance
No, it’s easy to balance. 12.3 with AMRAAMS & 9Ls.
I think just that change alone would help a ton of BR brackets.
But that, mixed with extending up to 13.3 or 13.7? You’ve got clear, defined areas for capabilities
Sea Harrier might need to be 12.0 depending on its IR loadout. Which is why I think it needs 9M from the start, to whack its BR up and to test the 9M weapon system on the Sub-sonic platform like they did with 9L
Sea Harrier FA2 (with no AMRAAM and 9L) is probably at best 11.0 ish? Its radar is good, and Id say that would result in a higher BR in SB, but with no BVRs, that is a small advantage.
Slap on AMRAAM but keep 9Ls… Does that justify all the way up to 12.3? I dont think so. Especially with other major limiations like a small CM count (unless you trade an IR missile for a bol rail) and other compromises like that. 9Ls might not be a good enough close range weapon on a sub-sonic, at 12.3. Especially with no gun in most configs
I really hate the idea of adding Eurofighter prototypes. Once AIM-120 is added Tranche 1 Eurofighters are on the horizon anyway.
Adding major vehicles from nations we do have in game also is rather questionable at the very least.
You want competitiveness and uniqueness: not possible.
Great Britain simply is not quite there historically for every decade and technology you would have to cover.
AIM-9L for the Phantoms and some more air-to-ground wepaonry would be nice.