Yes
Okay.
In almost every game, you’re uptiered. So 11.3 - you’re facing max BR.
At max BR you are:
Slower than every plane there, which was Tornado’s selling point.
You have less range on your missiles, meaning your powerful Foxhunter radar is essentially useless and no different to that of UK phantoms.
You can’t fly at high alt or R27ER
You can’t dogfight or you die instantly
You can’t outrun people
You have lots of missiles and flares, but you’re a jousting plane now. Guess what: R27ER is several times faster and is guaranteed to kill you first.
So…you can’t joust. You can’t run. You can’t climb. You can’t…well…do much.
So what can Tornado do? Be free SL for the enemy or flank hard left or hard right. Essentially leave the battle and then come back in, and do a single fly through of the furball, kill stealing or interrupting players who’re having actually fun dogfights. You then fly home, feeling completely unaccomplished and do it rinse and repeat.
You can replace Tornado here, with any lower BR aircraft and get the same result. You’re too outgunned, outturned, out performed and out ranged to fight normally, so you’re religated to being an annoyance. Jaguar, Sea Vixen, Harrier GR.1, You name it, essentially every british jet in game, plays the same way because they don’t fit the gameplay and they don’t fit their BRs.
Tornado works because people make it work. It doesn’t actually mean it’s a good jet, like the F16 or MiG29.
Statistics hurt the game when viewed so black and white.
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ngl i do believe that the tornado deserves 120C’s when ARH missiles are added since the rest will probably get B’s or even A’s. just give it that edge so it can do the one thing its supposed to be good at
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We could still get a TT K9 as a Finnish vehicle
Maybe they add the grippen and then the addition of the F-16C and new MiG 29 make a tiny bit of sense
oh boy if they add the SMT with R-60s only im just going to be done with air
When Japanese Devblog?
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To ltaly main
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It should’ve come with Active Skyflash or AMRAAM to begin with. 10mi is pushing it for SuperTEMP against 4th gen fighters.
Whereas AIM-7M can reach out to 20mi
R-27ER even further.
It has the worst missiles at its BR imo for what it is.
Even an israeli phantom is better, since it can turn.
You can’t really use AIM-9Ls either, since…you cant dogfight.
go to sleep and dream one. thats the only place youll find those
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100% agreed, but...
… If you put the Tornado against less 12.0s then all of a sudden people have the freedom to take more risks. They can actually use the aircraft instead of having to resort to “I’ll just use a Phantom”.
I disagree here;
The Phantoms, F104s and Harriers can all adopt a more varied playstyle than the Tornado F3. The Tornado can’t do any groundpounding, has low maneuverabilty and bleeds energy like a leech. I do think this links into another concern I have w top tier gameplay where the ground-pounding players are in constant competition with their own team and arre very rarely the deciding factor in the battle, but that’s way way more off-topic than I already am.
Exactly:
If you’re measuring KD (or relative SL gain/loss, whatever) as a metric for success, then people who die less (play more conservatively) will have better stats, despite having plenty of games where they may have had no kills, but survived the entire match.
I’d much rather get a kill and die once each than get no kills and not die, but they are measured as the same statistically.
Definitely:
As with all interceptors, they aren’t supported by the types of battles that Warthunder provides; I have most success with them in Sim, but that’s a lot of risk and energy so if I’m not in a gambling mood the only option is to play outside of the Interceptor’s strengths or have slow, unengaging boom-n-zoom tactics.
Well that’s what’s probably gonna happen.
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man if only there was 101gb i could get off of my pc to make more room for dcs mods… oh wait, would you look at that :D
trailer=/=teaser
so fun that smt isn’t even wired to use R-60 / R-60M
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yea, he didnt outright deny the teaser, only the trailer
F-4F with 9Js: First time?
Gaijin will do whatever they want.
meanwhile J-8
You got proof of that?