Ho-Ri production is already a very heavy tank with the SPG role, just like Jagdtiger is a very heavy tank with the SPG role and not “Heavy Tank” role. while Ho-Ri isn’t “a heavy tank”, it’s the heaviest tank u have in the japanese tech tree, and since it weights almost the same as a Tiger II, imo it can be called a heavy tank with SPG role.
lack of japanese vehicles/proofs of vehicles existing and lack of motivation from part of Gaijin (probably, they’re always like this) to add new japanese vehicles.
Chi-Nu II is ok, it has a very good cannon at a lower BR than the Chi-To and trades good turret traverse for low top speed.
M42 can act as a light tank/why would Japan get a 5.3 light tank? they only have a 5.3 SPAA and giving them a 5.3 light tank would be a bit stupid, should get a 5.7 light tank, and even with that, there’s no nation with a 5.3/5.7 light tank.
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they have very decent helicopters and CAS, u literally get a Su-30MKM with Kh-38MTE which is the best CAS missile ingame.
That is my bad I did mean the Type 91 I even play with the Type 95 just got them confussed xD.
And I don’t have any idea about balancing or how it would work that the dev job I just want 1 or 2 Heavy Tank for Japan, we got the Ro-Go which is a shit tank but it is a heavy but the Heavy Tank No.6 would also be fine if it did not cost 75+eur, then I would not ask for Heavy tanks.
I finding out that North Korea is already in China as a subtree legit made me sad :(.
Yeah, but I mean like the Type 91 is only a heavy by technicality.
Japan’s standards by then, though I’m recalling by memory and I know these weight ranges aren’t exactly correct, was that lights were 8 tonnes or less, mediums were somewhere between that and 16-ish tonnes, and heavies were anything around 20 tonnes. This was based off of the first tanks that they received; namely the Renault FT, which formed the basis for the lights, the Medium Whippet, which formed the basis for the mediums, and the Mark V, which formed the basis for the heavies.
However, by the 1930s this was outdated. For comparison, the Type 91 had 17 mm of frontal armor, an improvement over the previous “Chi-I” that had 17 mm of unhardened steel, and weighed 18 tonnes.
The same year, the Soviets introduced the T-24 medium tank which weighed 18.2 tonnes with 25.4 mm of frontal armor. The T-35-1 heavy tank was completed just a year later and was both significantly heavier and far more armored.
Even earlier than the Type 91 was the A1E1 built in 1925, with 28 mm of frontal armor and weighing around 34 tonnes. The Medium Mk. III, introduced a year earlier than the Type 91, weighed 16 tonnes with 14 mm of frontal armor.
The Type 91 would just act as a medium tank if it’s ever added in-game and would likely be designated as a medium, too, for the same reason that the I-Go is a light in-game despite its official reclassification as a medium tank once the Ha-Go was introduced IRL. The unfortunate reality of Japan is simply just that they don’t have anything with armor. The O-I is an outlier. Even the real Ho-Ri II, which was easily one of the most armored vehicles that Japan might’ve produced/been producing during the war, would be relatively unarmored at the BR it would be added at in-game.
I agreed they didn’t got that much of tank but still enough to met the minimum criteria as independent tree, if the devs adding a tree according what you just said then the game will only got 3 factions which is US, Ger & USSR because others TT had filled with copy & paste at certain era
Heavy tank option for Japan Personally I hope to see the O-I in the future, since that is sadly the only actually built option. While Gaijin still seem to still deny if for “lacking information”, it’s still not entirely impossible to see it considering that it has been built, even if not fully completed (which was enough for vehicles like the Yak-141 or TOG II GWP) and information on it is still more than the Ostwind II at least which is in game now twice.
Though it’s also most likely to end up as Dreams Come True event reward, which would make it entirely locked once the event is over and not solve anything.
BR compression around 9.7–11.7 Sadly there isn’t a ton of Japanese options here, but with the recent subtrees this could finally change. Especially Indonesia could already provide an entire 10.X lineup alone from their Harimau MT, Leopard 2A4 and Starstreak SAM.
Chi-Nu II BR feels too high Yes
Lack of light tanks between BR 4.0–5.3 Here I also think there’s mainly subtree options. Japan could maybe get some 6.3 or 6.0 (if we’re pushing it) with the earlier Type 60 SPRGs or the SS-1/2/3/4 prototypes, but for this specific range I’d say Indonesian FV601 Saladin / EBR 1951 or Thai FV101 Scorpion might be the best options.
Top-tier lineup issues without CAS or helicopters Yeah CAS isn’t the best throughout, only at the end thanks to Kh-38MTE on the Malaysian Su-30MKM. Personally I’d like some more helicopters, specifically a Thai EC645T2 (H145M) and the Kawasaki OH-1 (and maybe AH-2 if we can get past that parts were built for a common UH-X/AH-X platform rather than just the attack variant).
Also for aircraft the Toyo FD-25 would be interesting. This was Japans only combat aircraft to be exported after WWII and served with the Thai police.
Yeah, the ground tree is easily among the most missed opportunities in the game’s recent history. Instead of the many modified variants or even domestic developments we only got:
M163 that not only isn’t the Thai modernized M163A1 TVADS, but isn’t even a variant Thailand ever had, since Thailand operated the M163A1 instead.
M60A3 TTS with removed turret handrails and stowage and extended smoke launchers, modifications for an ERA set Thailand didn’t have. This is even worse considering it was copied from the ROC M60A3 TTS, which in reality is the same as the Thai one, but in game is just a copy of the US one with the ERA pack removed, so now 2/3 M60A3 TTS have the wrong model because of this.
Stingray which is finally a Thai exclusive tank, except the US somehow got the Thai service model copied to them as well. This just made it less unique on release for no reason. Not even the US benefits here, since they could’ve had the slightly lighter (and with that better) prototype instead.
Oplot-T with questionable armor modelling that was copied over to Pakistan as a trial tank. Once again not even Pakistan/China benefits because the Oplot-P would’ve been a much more interesting option.
The Stingray also has probably the dumbest/funniest model error in game, though this at least doesn’t affect gameplay.
The O-I Super Heavy Tank is the only feasible option left for Japan (which did get passed to the developers, which is surprising regarding its overall existence as a whole vehicle).
OR perhaps a historical model re-work for the Ho-Ri Production and Prototype.
Maybe Gaijin fought the ghost of US Mains,
Somewhat similar to “if we don’t give Stingray to USA, the forum will burn!! because it is an American-built tank!” kind of paranoia.
I mean, Gaijin makes silly decisions when adding vehicles, right?
eventually ruined both Japan and the Americans. maybe.
Suggestion rules say unfinished prototypes are fine, which the O-I was. While it never had the turrets mounted it was built.
Though when it comes to the actual game it’s a bit inconsistent. I think the latest official stance is they want to avoid unfinished vehicles, like how we got an Australian F-111 instead of the partially built British F-111K, but they are not entirely denied. We also got significantly more questionable vehicles like the F-16AJ (never built proposal, altered by Gaijin into entirely fictional variant).
Still for whatever reason the O-I specifically is denied by Gaijin every now and then. I think the latest reason was that they are lacking info to implement it, whatever that means compared to the Ostwind II…
OR perhaps a historical model re-work for the Ho-Ri Production and Prototype.
There’s no rework they could possibly receive. The Ho-Ri Production is fictional and the Ho-Ri Prototype was only a small-scale mockup, leaving the only historical “rework” as removing both of them and adding the Ho-Ri II at 5.7-ish.
That’s called decompression, not compression.
And yeah, Japan never really made anything that could be 10.x. The tanks that fit into 10.7 area now… limiting.
Japan has a 4.3 light tank currently that’s 3.7: M24.
Chi Nu II is a good BR.
Though I use it in my 4.7 lineup though cause it really is just a harder to use Chi To.
and there is your answer.
War Thunder was plane only game when they came out. so the iconic plane that in WW2 pacific side’s the Zeros. it’s one of the nation when the Ground battle not yet exist, so it make sense
I just wish the would fix the damn seeker being mostly off screen an not aligned with the cross hairs, which not only makes it hard to aim as the seeker is not where you think it should be but is so high that when you lock a low flying aircraft the launchers are pointed at the ground, so you have to hope it holds lock while you aim back up into the air so the missile doesn’t just plow into the dirt.
Other than that, it’s range limited but really good against anybody dumb enough to fly in close.
