Use Zunis as makeshift flares, really upgrades your experience in the T-2. Otherwise take advantage of your supersonic status and zoom ur ass out of there
You know, there are too many WW2-era vehicles in War Thunder. There’s no significant gap in the fourth column of the Japanese tech tree. The divine snail decided that only the highest tier and the sale of premium vehicles for $99.99 matter. I hate Gajin for screwing up this game. I understand adding modern vehicles, but Gajin ignores so much technology, mechanics, and vehicles that it’s insane. There are no electronic warfare systems, jammers, anti-radar missiles, and tons of technology and vehicles. It’s just a race to the top tier as quickly as possible.
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Good advice, but I’m still terrible at jets. My AIM-9s never hit, and the only thing I’ve ever shot down with the volcano was an ally by accident (I don’t even know how).
Add Su-30/Su-27 anyways imo, my main point is if a country operated it, they should get it. My issue with the subtree is adding only copy and paste first and not anything unique.
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Certainly more unique than the Israeli M109s and Japanese M42/M19A1 and M4A3s.
Some, not all. China is still arguably more unique than Japan, especially factoring unadded Chinese vehicles.
Yes, that is why I say one mixed China+Japan+Thailand+etc nation would be the best option.
The vast majority of copy paste would be removable. Yes, some required copy pastes will stay, but the neccesity copy pastes are perfectly fine imo.
It’s literally the exact same opinion I had before.
Both the U.S. and Thai Stingray have a place in Warthunder, both from a historical perspective, and a lineup filling perspective (well, Japan already has a 9.3 light tank but you get the point).
However, if you’re so keen on removing the Stingray on the basis of copy paste, the Thai one has less legitimacy in WT.
However, if you’re so keen on removing the Stingray on the basis of copy paste, the Thai one has less legitimacy in WT.
The Thai are the only ones who use the Stingray wdym. It’s the American one that’s copy-paste, like the Skink.
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So the one actually in service is less legitimate then the prototype/ demonstrator tank that was never adopted into service? That’s certainly an… interesting… take on it.
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I don’t think America had anything to do with the Skink anyways, it should be removed from the U.S. tree.
Neither the Thai nor the U.S. Stingray should be removed. There’s many copy slops that should be removed even though the nation used em, e.g the non American M44/55s. The producer should get priority over operator, as it’s literally called the tech tree.
Neither should be removed, Stockholm was just being silly.
The Stingray was not a technological advancement for Thailand. Being the sole operator just barely earns it a non-copy paste slot in the tech tree imo.
Already said, those non implemented vehicle will not fill the gap but only putting pressure to those existing vehicle in the game right now. More importantly, there is impossible to a nation that copy their technology from others countries become more “unique” then a nation that literally developing the tech themselves.
That is impossible since if this happened the only option is Japan as main tree + China & others nations subtree which the PRC players definitely won’t allow.
We can’t even get an F-2 late, as the one we have is already the latest version, lol. We’re just waiting on earlier F-2s now sadly. (Although the current one does have lots of equipment it can still get.)
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Seriously, are you just moving the goalpost right in front of my eyes?
You pressed the hatred of Japan in the name of ‘copy-paste is bad’
So I counteroffered as ‘remove the copy-pasted, and a stolen vehicle’ of US TT.
You agreed about that as a ‘bluff’. Because we both know Gaijin are never gonna remove those.
They will keep your privileges from your tech tree.
Then you can freely gatekeep those which you sold ‘in the name of better War Thunder without any extra copy-paste slop’ ‘For the greater good’
Then, you suddenly flipped your hand and called me silly…?
Slick Willie wasn’t this slick.
THIS WILL NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. YOU EVEN CLARIFIED EARLIER BY YOURSELF. ffs.
Because you got checkmated by your claim. right?
Don’t do this to me man 😭 I want f2 with hmd and new missiles
I’m talking more about a distinct version with the AAM-5 and AAM-4B and such. Similar to how they did it with Eurofighter w/ and w/o AESA. Leave the current one at 13.7 and add another with AAM-5 and AAM-4B as they’re better missiles that’d turn the F-2 from a good 13.7 to a bad 14.0+
HMD still needs to be proven. We have zero evidence of it besides rumours and the Shimadzu HMD (that im pretty sure we have no proof of being tested on an unmodified F-2 either)
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Adding modified vehicles is more unique that copy pasting vehicles.
Yes, sadly racism is stopping us from having better tech trees.
Yeah thats our current one. We need a distinct early, not a distinct late.
Even the premium one we have is a late model.
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So, in your POV, every exported vehicle should be modified to be ‘unique’
Such as…
-Changing some features (M109 variants which give similar gameplay with slight differnce on machine gun.), or even removing it(Finnish F-18C which is Finished, or Finnish PzIVJ which removed anti-air MG34)
-changes ammo belt (from P-51D-20 to J26)
-or limit some ammunition, which technically could IRL (M61 APCBC-HE on QF Mk. V, APDS limitation of British Firefly, AIM-7F of F-4JUK, or AIM-120 of JAS39C SAAF, as an example)
Right?
Sounds a bit more like ‘you guys shouldn’t have superior vehicles than us’, no matter how you paid us.
and maybe THAT is what ‘tech-tree uniqueness’ truly means to YOU.
I honestly don’t think rationalising a big problem with only ‘racism’ is a good sight for seeing the problem.
If we suggest you join the Greatest-Commonwealth-Tech-Tree and be a sub-tree of UK… I don’t think that is a better tech tree…
Either JP+CN+Thai, or UK+ANZAC+US.
I think we’re on different pages on what the word “unique” means.
The Ro’em is a unique modification.
The Achilles is a unique modification.
The M4A4 however, is not.
Two of those have a modification which changes the way the vehicle is played. One of those is just a slight nerf that really has no meaningful effect.
Yes, the word “racism” oversimplifies it, however the main idea is not lost. That is, combining the Asian trees would lead to very angry Asian players all around due to societal tensions between Asian nations (and even between territories within the same nation).
You are completely missing the point of combining trees. Britain is a decently fleshed out tree, and does not need copy paste. Britain has continued developing new weaponry through the post-war period. There is 0 reason for US to be a joint tree with UK.
Japan and China, however, were both stunted as far as military technology goes during post-war (heck, even pre-war for China) and thus lack the number of real-world vehicles to properly flesh out their trees.
Nice defence, quite impressive.
I agree with your point on Achilles.
I am a bit wondering about the effectiveness of the chimaera-ish 155mm version of Priest wannabee with HVSS chassis in gameplay-wise, it would act as a sidegrade version of M44, which acts a bit inferior on the gameplay side. Uniqueness? yes. Worthful to play? unsure about it unless it gets significantly lower BR than M109.
And, if Ro’em gets significantly lower BR than the current reserve-ish M51, there would be another problem, which it cannot form a solid deck because there are lacks of vehicles at israel tech tree under 6.0BR. We might need another vehicle to fill the empty rank 1~3 gap of israel TT if we want to see ro’em, and if we consider the history of IDF, the lower ranks of israel TT will smells bit similar to the current Chinese TT’s low ranks, if it happens.
If we push Ro’em, you will eventually end up with more C&P vehicles. I am fine to see them, but I am a bit wondering if you can accept it.
Also, about the Japanese tech tree, which was origianl topic of this, there aren’t many ‘truly unique vehicles which also fit gameplay-worthy’ left in the WW2 era, and you also know there are not much dometic vehicles left for them in the post-war.
I agree that reshuffling priorities of adding sub-tree vehicles is needed for Gaijin (Which is never gonna happen). A more unique-ish vehicle is better, but we also need those C&P ones, either.
If we completely dismiss the C&P cards from this game, with your stances, minor nations will run out of vehicles real quick.
This part was the main idea of why I counterargued with the silly idea of the UK-US combined TT.
Their history is even more complicated than we do. no matter how we want to combine it or not. Combining JP-CN-Thai is never gonna happen, invalid idea.
I don’t reckon that I completely missed the point, but well, I admit that I partially mistook the idea.
Which is filled with non-meta vehicles. Loves those beauties, but hates them on the gameplay side.
Vampire, Sea Venom, Meteor and such.
I disagree. I think we need a bit of copied vehicles which can reflect our heritage and Lend-lease support from west.
Yes. There is zero reason for US to be a joint tree with UK.
Just like how CN cannot be a joint tree with JP.
I really don’t think mixing nations with controversal way can be a solution to solve the copy-paste problem. Maybe they would have a bit less c&p vehicles than now, but not that much better if we think about revenue.
Also, this cannot happen unless you change the history with some fancy blue phone box or car built of fancy stainless steel.