as someone who plays it quite a lot because i hate cas, thats completely on you. you get plenty of time to get out of harms way. always assume someones watching you man, because usually someone is xD
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personally i rarely die to cas. when i die its usually because i wasnt paying attention to ground units. mavs are basically useless because ill just shoot them down, tv bombs are easy to avoid and my missile will get to them before their laser guided bomb gets to me. this isnt unique to the pantsir though
Have you tried to fly tornado recently? It’s FM got changed quite a bit. Man, today I did a sharp turn and saw number “10” next to a letter “g”. I thought I’m going nuts.
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vikhrs used to do that but after the nerfs they received they often dont kill in one hit anymore (still they do much more damage than a hellfire or similar does)
most likely another " hidden modifier " to another russian vehicle.
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pantsir is immune to tornado or any other plane, unless pantsir player is blind he can just look at you and intercept all your bombs/atgms and you cant do anything
unlike a helicopter hovering a meter behind a hill for 2 seconds your tornado is a huge LOOK HERE sign on radar
the only CAS option currently in game that is hard to counter with pantsir is KH38ML and its orbital strike but as you can guess its in russian tree
Tor should be 11.7 and Pantsir should be at least 12.3. We already have 12.7 ground (with planes), so i really dont see why not to use the extra room in the BR space. 10.7 vehicles should not have to see pantsir.
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WIth the addition of JDAMs i think that we have more options to counter it, but saying that a Tornado that needs a hard lock and moves like a brick on a windy day is a counter to the Pantsir is really far fatched. Maybe when we get cruise missiles this might somewhat be true.
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I read JDAMs are not really precise enought. Also the truck might simply move off.
Btw, question: GBU-24 also has the feature to go the last lazed point if the look stops. But ingame it doesn’t really happen. Its cleary written: IOG @ GBU-24.
All the GBUs I’ve dropped on Pantsir say otherwise.
Tornado is constantly out of Pantsir’s range… then your post implies Tornado is Russian… interesting.
I did not claim tornado is russian, learn how to read please
and if you killed a pantsir with a GBU then you just encountered a russian main that didnt care enough to intercept your bomb because he was busy waiting for you to come in range so he can press fire and kill you without effort
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It’s more the fact that intercepting a bomb dropped from an altitude above 9000 meters is extremely difficult.
Russia doesn’t need another SPAA and especially something which would sit at the same BR as the Pantsir S1 bringing nothing of value in-game besides buffing already well performing Russian SPAA.
I’d prefer to see a SPAA for America at the mid to high mid tiers instead or something for Japan at top tier instead of the damn Type 81 (C) (which is decent don’t get me wrong, just has limited range and poor awareness).
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this isnt about winging that they dont need one, this is about the fact china has it, they promised itd be in ussr, yet years later its still not here. the tor aint even that good lol
the tor aint even that good lol
The Tor M1 has the best missiles in-game (in my opinion and use) or most manoeuvrable if you want to be picky, it rivals the Pantsir S1 in performance and is also capable of guiding multiple missiles to target just like the Pantsir S1.
Unlike the Pantsir S1, you can’t just evade the Tor M1s missile and an addition like this is absolutely unnecessary and a waste of resources.
this is about the fact china has it, they promised itd be in ussr, yet years later its still not here
A forum manager promised you this, not Gaijin themselves - yes they may represent Gaijin but companies can change their mind or stances on things, they aren’t robots.
I think it’s pretty obvious, they AREN’T adding the Tor M1 for Russia but they may add a later variant which is outright better than the Pantsir S1 which would remedy this cope problem we have.
considering you dont even own the pantsir i dont think you can accurately say that.
for one, the pantsir doesnt warn enemies for the most part
2, missing with that thing is actual skill issue, i havent played the tor but i can tell you i have been killed significantly less when they are present
3, it doesnt broadcast its location with the huge, long lasting missile trail
4, sure it can track and engage multiple targets, but only in a very narrow cone, the pantsir does a full 90 degrees
5, its effective range is not even close
6, no thermals
7, 4 less missiles
need i go on? no, it doesnt even come close to rivalling the pantsir. it would sit perfectly fine as an aa most people probably wont even use over the pantsir, or waste a tank slot on when they already have it. at this point its basically for people who think the vehicle is cool
The tor is hot garbage. The missiles are ok, but they’re super smokey and pings the enemy rwr so unless you’re blind and deaf you can avoid it super easily. Also the missiles are so smokey that for the first five seconds after you launch it you can’t actually see what you’re shooting at and just have to trust the radar, a radar that’s remarkably easily chaffed. It’s a very good aa on paper but in practice you’re better off bringing the pgz04a.
it’d be pretty cool to see the Tor in the nation I main, it has the coolest missile launch animation ever 🤤
The TOR-M1 is dogshit. The pantsir is infinitely better. You don’t want the tor 😞
Considering I absolutely sh*t on the Pantsir S1 every time I do CAS and when I evaluate my friends gameplay which he does own the Pantsir S1 I can paint a picture.
Please stop the cope Sergey, this wont get you anywhere